kitsune Posted September 28, 2012 Author Share Posted September 28, 2012 Water soluable flavors mix better with the PG and VG bases. oil based flavorings can kill the heating elements. the oils gunk up the coils. Most of the flavors at these sites are water soluable http://www.ecigexpress.com/ http://www.onestopdiyshop.com/products/The-Flavor-Apprentice-Professional-Flavors.html I haven't found a good way to get rid of the perfume flavor with certain flavors....I just end up moving to a new flavor. Uma and texassmokes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayden Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Wow.. that's a lot of well thought out information. Thanks a lot texassmokes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitsune Posted November 27, 2012 Author Share Posted November 27, 2012 Hope it helps !!! ask away, we have a few DIYers here. texassmokes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chipi Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Hi, I have 3 questions for my DIY attempt: Question 1: Do any of you know the TYPE of flavorings which you guys use for DIY Eliquid? I'm using flavoring for bakery. Is that ok? The flavor somehow "taste" diluted, no matter the percentage of volume I use. I know most of you refer to flavorings by brand name, Lorann ..etc. But are those branded flavors for bakery too? Question 2 Most commercial Eliquids have a bit of sweet taste to it. Mine is pretty bland and tasteless. I used some Sorbitol and Stevia as sweeteners but still not enough. Question 3: Throat Hit (TH). I know most people say it's from nicotine and some say it's from PG. My DIY Eliquid has no TH at all. Some pointers? IN my country, ordering nicotine is totally illegal. I extract nicotine directly from tobacco by boiling etc etc.... Please help. I'm getting really frustrated with my DIY attempt . Thank you in advance. texassmokes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Hi, I have 3 questions for my DIY attempt: Question 1: Do any of you know the TYPE of flavorings which you guys use for DIY Eliquid? I'm using flavoring for bakery. Is that ok? The flavor somehow "taste" diluted, no matter the percentage of volume I use. I know most of you refer to flavorings by brand name, Lorann ..etc. But are those branded flavors for bakery too? Question 2 Most commercial Eliquids have a bit of sweet taste to it. Mine is pretty bland and tasteless. I used some Sorbitol and Stevia as sweeteners but still not enough. Question 3: Throat Hit (TH). I know most people say it's from nicotine and some say it's from PG. My DIY Eliquid has no TH at all. Some pointers? IN my country, ordering nicotine is totally illegal. I extract nicotine directly from tobacco by boiling etc etc.... Please help. I'm getting really frustrated with my DIY attempt . Thank you in advance. Question 1. Yes, you can use different types of flavoring but not all are going to give good results. Most of the flavorings I use contain artificial and/or natural flavors, PG and not much else but sometimes contain small amounts of water, alcohol, and so on. There are some ingredients that are un-friendly to attys and cartos but I can't give you a complete list off the top of my head; for instance you shouldn't use any anything that contains sugar or honey. Most of the flavorings I use (Lorann's, FlavourArt, Cappellas, FlavorWest, Perfumers Apprentic, CK products, Tasty Puffs) are fairly strong and sometimes very strong and it depends on the flavor. A very strong flavor might only need 2%-5% in the final mix but most fall into 15%-20% range. If a flavor requires more than 25% to flavor a DIY recipe it probably is diluted to the point where it is no good for vaping. Question 2. There are flavors that add sweetness without changing the original flavor much or sometimes enhance it. Cotton candy and Marshmallow are 2 examples. Ethol Maltol(EM) is the ingredient in cotton candy and it is what a lot of us use. I've also used suclarose. I know to use these in small amounts because too much will ruin a recipe. VG may add a bit of sweetness along with more vapor, this is why I like to use some in all my juice but I prefer mostly PG. Question 3. You can get a better TH by using a bit of menthol flavoring. As for extracting your own nicotine, well that sounds like tricky business and I don't think it can be done safely without proper testing equipment and knowledge. I've extracted a tea and tobacco flavoring by heating leaves in PG but I wasn't trying to extract nicotine and I don't think that I got much if any out but I was able to get a diluted flavoring that was usable. kitsune, Uma and texassmokes 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha324 Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Great info I've been thinking about DIY and after all these great posts I'm definitely going to give it a try. texassmokes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitsune Posted July 1, 2013 Author Share Posted July 1, 2013 As you can tell, I love DIY. For me it started as a search for stronger flavors, as I am flavor challenged. I love the endless possibilities. If you have any questions or trouble, just ask. There are quite a few of us that love to help out. tazl37, Uma and texassmokes 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMEDICx90 Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 (edited) wow i just copied this thread to my toolbar. there is alot of information here and im feeling a bit overwhelmed but i think im ready to get started. i ordered a few things from DIY flavorshack and hopefully they shouldnt be too long in coming but one thing i do have a question about that no one i have talked to can seem to answer.... everyone talks about a 50/50 mix or 70/30 or 80/20 of PG/VG. Now if my nic is a PG base then i have to compensate for that correct? likewise if its VG. can i actually purchase the PG and VG in larger quantities and just add the nicotine? or do you just buy the nicotine in the bases and add them together? EDIT: i was looking around on DIY flavorshack and i stumbled across complete DIY kits. now i dont think ill need some of the stuff in the kits but.... it does come with a complete mix set up and you can choose 6 flavors for mixing... would that be a better way to start then buying the stuff individually? this is what the kit contains: This is the "PREMIUM" DIY Kit -This Kit Contains 30ml Glass Dropper of 60mg of UnFlavored Mixing E-Liquid In This Kit You Can Add Your 6 DIY Flavors When You Add To Cart You can Pick PG or VG Snap Close Tool Chest With Top Compartments (12" L x 6 1/4" W x 3 1/2" H.) - ONE BOX PER ORDER THE PICTURE SHOWS OPEN AND CLOSED "Nicosorb" Cartridge Filler To Fill Any Model Cartridge ("Nicosorb is 1 bag of Fluval & 1-bag of 100% Poly-Fill (The Right Stuff) 20 ml of PG USP Grade 20 ml of VG USP Grade 20ml of VG/PG mix 4 - 3ml No Nicotine Flavorings of your Choice An Assortment of sizes 6 Drip Bottles 3ml, 6ml ect.... Glass dropper bottles (round bottle, dropper insert and screw cap) Glass Assorted sized Vials With Screw Cap Bottles w/tips may come in Assorted Sizes Currently What Is in stock Will be put in Mixing Measuring Cups 1-High quality Metal Tweezers 2-Small plastic funnel / 1-Med funnel 3ml Syringe w/27 gauge needle - 3cc Syringe with 18 gauge needle 10ml Syringe without needle Pair Of Gloves for Mixing 1 Clear plastic flip-top bottle Spoon Spatulas 1- Long Spatula 3cc Cup for Menthol Crystals 1/4oz. Bag of Menthol Crystals 1-Full Length Apron NEW ITEMS HAVE BEEN ADDED. 1 ml Syring with cap EYTHOL MALTO 3.6ml Glass Vial Blue Plug 10ML Mixing Cylinder Edited July 2, 2013 by IMEDICx90 Uma 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitsune Posted July 2, 2013 Author Share Posted July 2, 2013 this is what the kit contains: This is the "PREMIUM" DIY Kit -This Kit Contains 30ml Glass Dropper of 60mg of UnFlavored Mixing E-Liquid In This Kit You Can Add Your 6 DIY Flavors When You Add To Cart You can Pick PG or VGSnap Close Tool Chest With Top Compartments (12" L x 6 1/4" W x 3 1/2" H.) - ONE BOX PER ORDER THE PICTURE SHOWS OPEN AND CLOSED (Tackle Box works well too) "Nicosorb" Cartridge Filler To Fill Any Model Cartridge ("Nicosorb is 1 bag of Fluval & 1-bag of 100% Poly-Fill (The Right Stuff)20 ml of PG USP Grade 20 ml of VG USP Grade 20ml of VG/PG mix 4 - 3ml No Nicotine Flavorings of your ChoiceAn Assortment of sizes 6 Drip Bottles 3ml, 6ml ect.... Glass dropper bottles (round bottle, dropper insert and screw cap) Glass Assorted sized Vials With Screw Cap Bottles w/tips may come in Assorted Sizes Currently What Is in stock Will be put in Mixing Measuring Cups 1-High quality Metal Tweezers 2-Small plastic funnel / 1-Med funnel 3ml Syringe w/27 gauge needle - 3cc Syringe with 18 gauge needle 10ml Syringe without needle Pair Of Gloves for Mixing 1 Clear plastic flip-top bottle Spoon Spatulas 1- Long Spatula 3cc Cup for Menthol Crystals 1/4oz. Bag of Menthol Crystals 1-Full Length Apron NEW ITEMS HAVE BEEN ADDED.1 ml Syring with cap EYTHOL MALTO 3.6ml Glass Vial Blue Plug 10ML Mixing Cylinder I've highlighted the items I use most often when mixing. the 3ml bottles are the most helpful for mixing small amounts. as far as the kit....sounds like a good combination of items, you may find you won't need some of it. but that part is up to you. Currently I use 100mg/ml nicotine for mixing.....Keep in mind, Its is very toxic at this strength, then again 60mg/ml is nothing to get careless with either. Most bases, flavorings etcs come in PG. for PG/VG mixes you need to take this into account. I use the eliquid recipe manager for android on my phone. can help manage PG/VG rations, multiple flavorings etc. These 2 links are for quart size PG and VG. you can buy it by the gallon(s) for cheaper, but it is way too much and will expire before you can use it. Before investing a ton in DIY, start small and see if you like it. http://www.amazon.com/Glycerin-Vegetable-Kosher-USP-Quart/dp/B004C7MTLA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1372754260&sr=8-1&keywords=usp+vegetable+glycerin http://www.amazon.com/Propylene-Glycol-Food-Grade-Quart/dp/B005PZBRUC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1372754187&sr=8-1&keywords=usp+pg Hope that helps a little. give a shout out if you need more info. We have a few DIYers on the forum. Merry Mixing Uma and texassmokes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMEDICx90 Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 awesome! thanks thats exactly what i was looking for. i figure since i have started the trend with E-Cigs here in my family and friends i might as well invest somewhat heavily in mixing my own flavors since they will most likely want to do the same thing. and on some of the sites i was looking to buy just PG or VG and they are like 20ml for 6 dollars. that seemed kinda pricey considering i bought 125ml of nicotine for 15 dollars. sorry for such a long post on the last one. Uma 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitsune Posted July 2, 2013 Author Share Posted July 2, 2013 No worries. Glad to help out. Its great to have a place to ask before you invest more money. Just have fun. Lots and lots of trial and error. ask away if you run into more questions. texassmokes and Uma 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMEDICx90 Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 I do have one more question. Can I mix my preferred vaping base in bulk? Like instead of mixing a base when I need to make a bottle of it can I make a large quantity and just take from that as I want/need to? Or will it mess with the mixture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitsune Posted July 2, 2013 Author Share Posted July 2, 2013 Yes you can !! just be careful how much you keep stored....the flavor does change overtime, but a couple/three months worth should be good. you will also find your taste will change along the way....I am always fussing with my flavors. The best part about DIY, if the flavor doesn't taste right, you can always fix it !! Uma and texassmokes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMEDICx90 Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Yeah I noticed that. Lol I went and bought some Loranns flavors.... I went a little crazy bc it was buy 1 get 1.... So I have like 14 flavors lol! And you said crime de menthe would help bring out the flavored right? Uma 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitsune Posted July 3, 2013 Author Share Posted July 3, 2013 menthol flavoring works a bit better, but the creme de menthe helps.....just very small amounts !! ya, I've lots count of all the flavorings. I have my staples, but keep all the rest just in case or to spice up a flavor. texassmokes and Uma 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMEDICx90 Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Lol crime. Man sometimes I get so worked up in the question I don't even notice my spelling errors or grammar errors. Anyway thanks kit ill have to pick up a menthol flavoring then. kitsune and Uma 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uma Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 How do you save this to your toolbar? Are you using FireFox? Essential Depot has the VG and the PG by the gallon, on sale right now, if anyone's interested. The prices will go up 20% with their next batches. http://www.essentialdepot.com/servlet/the-Propylene-Glycol/Categories texassmokes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMEDICx90 Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 I use safari. But you can just drag the tab and save it to the toolbar Uma. and I just bought 2 quarts of each from amazon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ323 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 I'll be starting my DIY journey this weekend! Got some tobaccos and trying for a good Vanilla mix. Flavorshack sent me some latte samples, I'll be using the ejuice calc. What % should I start out with these latte flavors to try? texassmokes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMEDICx90 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 You mean flavor percentage? I usually mix anywhere from 15 to 25% but I never usually go above that. I did a 30% one time and that was with a grape trying to get it to carry over but it never did so... Anyway I think that's usually the general consensus around here. kitsune 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ323 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 (edited) Yes flavor %. I'll start @ 15% and see how it goes. Thx... Edited July 18, 2013 by CJ323 texassmokes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitsune Posted July 19, 2013 Author Share Posted July 19, 2013 Exactly !!! its much easier to add a bit more than to try to take it away. I usually mix at about 20-25% depending on the mix. some tobacco flavors are very, very strong and only need a couple of drops. texassmokes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ323 Posted July 19, 2013 Share Posted July 19, 2013 Yup, heard that about the tobaccos, got a recipe for the vanilla. Never had a coffee / latte so thought I'd better ask. texassmokes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitsune Posted July 20, 2013 Author Share Posted July 20, 2013 If you like coffee type flavors I highly recommend Flavour arts coffee espresso...a little goes a long way. It has become one of my staple flavors....mix with tiramisu, apple pie, cinnamon/carmel (cinnamon roll). http://www.ecigexpress.com/coffee-espresso-by-flavourart-select-size-620.html I have tried many coffee flavors, and this one just seems to be the closest. not to mention its a clear flavor...some of the coffees are very dark. texassmokes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ323 Posted July 20, 2013 Share Posted July 20, 2013 Ok whipped up 4 diff juices and tried cpl lastnight, started feeling light headed and didn't think much of it. This morning tried again and 4 - 5 drags same thing hazy and light headed. Too much Nic? Using the ejuicemeup calc and measured twice. Possible they miss marked the Nic strength? I can't hit the stuff 3 times without the haziness starting. Even tried dbling up the pg / vg in it. Supposed to be 36mg nic and I set everything up for 12 - 14 nic strength, so? texassmokes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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