Suppliers - Just Call It What It Is!

[Brian]

I was about to come on here and rant and Chris' new article on the home page is a good place to start.

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Is it to much to ask for vendors to just tell us what it is? I spend a lot of time looking at the plethora of suppliers and it bothers me when they just list a 510 kit as a "510 kit", and attys that are listed at "510 atty" or something deceptive live "replacement atty for Joye 510" or "replacement atty for Joye eGo" when it's not a Joye atty. I want to know what I'm buying and I will not buy from a vendor that doesn't clearly state who the manufacturer is. And what's up with the eGo knock-offs? If you want to sell the EM Riva, fine, but call it what it is, don't try to be deceptive about it. Some vendors call it an eGo even though it's not a Joye eGo. Some, while not calling it an eGo, twist words to try to make you think it's a eGo, or better than an eGo. One vendor has one listed and in parenthesis says (aka: Riva/eGo). That's BS. It's either a Riva or an eGo. In this case I'm pretty sure it was an EM Riva, but don't try to deceive me! And now there's the T-Rex. I'm still trying to find out if it's Joye or not.

So I ask, it is to much to just call it what it is? I know there are some marketing gimmicks, but Ecigs can be confusing enough, especially for noobies, so why not just tell us what it is (who's the manufacturer)! Am I being too picky wanting to know if something is made by Joye? I don't think so.

[Luke]

I was about to come on here and rant and Chris' new article on the home page is a good place to start.

Home Page Article

Is it to much to ask for vendors to just tell us what it is? I spend a lot of time looking at the plethora of suppliers and it bothers me when they just list a 510 kit as a "510 kit", and attys that are listed at "510 atty" or something deceptive live "replacement atty for Joye 510" or "replacement atty for Joye eGo" when it's not a Joye atty. I want to know what I'm buying and I will not buy from a vendor that doesn't clearly state who the manufacturer is. And what's up with the eGo knock-offs? If you want to sell the EM Riva, fine, but call it what it is, don't try to be deceptive about it. Some vendors call it an eGo even though it's not a Joye eGo. Some, while not calling it an eGo, twist words to try to make you think it's a eGo, or better than an eGo. One vendor has one listed and in parenthesis says (aka: Riva/eGo). That's BS. It's either a Riva or an eGo. In this case I'm pretty sure it was an EM Riva, but don't try to deceive me! And now there's the T-Rex. I'm still trying to find out if it's Joye or not.

So I ask, it is to much to just call it what it is? I know there are some marketing gimmicks, but Ecigs can be confusing enough, especially for noobies, so why not just tell us what it is (who's the manufacturer)! Am I being too picky wanting to know if something is made by Joye? I don't think so.

I agree, and as you know I am a supplier. I have 510 only listed on my site as of now, because I currently have spme SLB parts left over still in stock on the 510 line (maybe 20% of the 510 line as I try to sell the stock off). I refuse to put "Genuine Joye" in referance to my 510 line until all of the SLB stuff is replaced in my inventory. As I phase out the rest of the SLB stuff. Id say 80% of my 510 line is all Genuine Joye now, but I still refuse to put up "Genuine Joye" till I sell of the rest of my SLB stock. Can be a real pain in the butt to put up all the extra products, just to list them one by one as they get phased out. But as a consumer I totally understand where you are coming from. When people ask me if my stuff is Genuine Joye or not, I tell them which attys, batteries ect have been changed over to them. I find it better that I do not hide anything, but people that know me around the forum know that about me. If a customer comes to me and asks "hey is this genuine joye?" I will tell them what colors have been replaced by genuine joye and these havent because I havent sold out of them yet. Hope that clears it up a little bit. May not adress why other suppliers don't do it (probably cause they don't sell Joye and don't care if you know or not), but at least I can atest to why I do.

[kitsune]

Well said !!!

Read the article--very helpful !!!!

I've been vaping for a year and barely knew the difference.

I stick to my few trusted shops, but, your right--looking through the products is very confusing, even for veteran vapers.

Thank you for posting the article !!!

[snubber]

I agree Brian. It's getting to the point where it's just too much trouble to try and go through all the different listings to find out who has what and from which company. Marketing gimmicks are ok to a point. They tend to get your attention, but after you have us looking give us the straight answer. Is it Joye, Janty, SLB, Baw, what? Just some honest answers is all we really need and keep the misrepresentation to your selves.

[Uma]

Amen!! You go Brian, well said!

pssssst..to Christopher.... "Remember companies are getting better and batter at making copies. Shop with a trusted supplier!

[JRVapes]

I agree, most of the sites I visit I leave very quickly for the exact same reasons you are "ranting" about!

Edited July 11, 2010 by JRVapes

[nana]

I agree completely, Brian. And not just with ecigs either.

[Burn]

Can I also add a common standard for the voltage of a unit? Either it is the battery itself or the battery under load. I think under load is inconsistent just because the load itself is variable depending on what atomizer you are using.

Vaperlife has a great reputation for building good products but their insistence on listing voltage under load instead of core battery voltage has really irked me.

Perhaps this doesn't apply or is in line with what you are saying but this read like the Family Guy bit to me and I wanted to add something that "Grinds my gears". =)

[Christopher]

@Uma, Fixed Must have been hungry

@Burn you actually reminded me of something. One great way to tell apart a Joye Atomizer from say an SLB for example is the OHM. Joye is 2.5 and SLB is 2.8 or 2.9 I believe.