Socialized Medicine

[keenan]

Well folks, heres an example of what we can expect when Obamacare, or Pelosicare, or whatever you want to call it, takes effect here in the U.S. This happened in Scotland.

I dont know why my links arent working. But, the story is about a 67 year old man who was helping his wife with the groceries. he slipped on the ice, and caught his wedding ring on the railing as he fell. It ripped his finger OFF, blood was spurting everywhere. When he was rushed to the hospital, they told him he would have to take a taxi to another hospital. So he did, he shared a cab with a DOCTOR to another hospital, and 3 hours later, a surgeon re-attached the finger, but doubted it would heal properly. THAT, my friends, is socialized medicine. The story is on Foxnews.com. Remember, in 2010, vote all the bums out of a job. JMHO.

Edited December 31, 2009 by keenan

[Brian]

Here ya go (and couldn't agree more).

Finger Story

Edited December 31, 2009 by Brian

[keenan]

Thanks Brian. I dont know why my links arent working. I'll have to get with Chris later. Thanks again.

[nana]

I've read and heard a lot of stories like that - even worse. I'm ready to vote them all out TODAY so we can stop this thing in it's tracks. Then maybe we could make "pork" illegal and make them come to us about health care before they can do anything, and ... well, I have my dreams.

[Schizophretard]

Even if socialized medicine worked I would still be against it. I don't trust the government with anything, especially my health. Getting my finger fixed is my responsibility.

[keenan]

Heres another IMPORTANT e mail I just recieved. I signed up. This is a MUST !

On Tuesday, the Senate health committee voted 12-11 in favor of a

two-page amendment courtesy of Republican Tom Coburn that would

require all Members and their staffs to enroll in any new

government-run health plan. It took me less than a minute to sign up

to require our congressmen and senators to drink at the same trough!

Three cheers for Congressman John Fleming of Louisiana !

Congressman John Fleming ( Louisiana physician) has proposed an

amendment that would require congressmen and senators to take the same

healthcare plan they force on us (under proposed legislation they are

curiously exempt).

Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go on his Website and

sign his petition (very simple - just first, last (optional) and email (required). I have

immediately done just that at:

http://fleming.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=55&sectiontree=29,55>

http://fleming.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=55&sectiontree=29,55

Please urge as many people as you can to do the same!

If Congress forces this on the American people, the Congressmen should have

to accept the same level of health care for themselves and their families.

To do otherwise is the height of hypocrisy!

Please pass this on!!

[nana]

I'll do that. And I'll pass the info on.

Thanks!!

[Brian]

Done.

[BirdDog]

I agree with you Keenan, the congress men/women should have to use the same system as the rest of us!

Yesterday I read that several State Attorney Generals' have filed a complaint about the health care bill. The complaint was filed in regards to the section about the state of Nebraska. The Attorney General has deemed it unfair and unconstitutional to require the other states to pick up the bill for Nebraska shares of healthcare. This is all drawn from memory, I have been searching for the article this morning and can't seem to find it. What makes me happy is my home state of Colorado is one of those states filing the complaint!

[nana]

I live in Nebraska and I agree with you BirdDog - completely. You wouldn't believe how many people here are really upset that Ben Nelson made that deal. I haven't come across anyone yet who thinks it's a good idea. They've even started a website called "give ben the boot". I'm sure there are people who think it was a good deal, but I haven't heard of them yet. It's not right and I want nothing to do with it.

[Brian]

I agree with you Keenan, the congress men/women should have to use the same system as the rest of us!

Yesterday I read that several State Attorney Generals' have filed a complaint about the health care bill. The complaint was filed in regards to the section about the state of Nebraska. The Attorney General has deemed it unfair and unconstitutional to require the other states to pick up the bill for Nebraska shares of healthcare. This is all drawn from memory, I have been searching for the article this morning and can't seem to find it. What makes me happy is my home state of Colorado is one of those states filing the complaint!

I read that earlier.

My link

[BirdDog]

I live in Nebraska and I agree with you BirdDog - completely. You wouldn't believe how many people here are really upset that Ben Nelson made that deal. I haven't come across anyone yet who thinks it's a good idea. They've even started a website called "give ben the boot". I'm sure there are people who think it was a good deal, but I haven't heard of them yet. It's not right and I want nothing to do with it.

Howdy neighbor! I am glad the great people of Nebraska also are thinking the same thoughts.

@Brian - Thank you! Didn't think to look at Fox, what was I thinking.

Edited December 31, 2009 by BirdDog

[seaspine]

That kind of stuff happens all the time here and now,not all hospitals have the capibility to handle that kin of thing and the patient is transferred by ambulance. A cab is cheaper and may be faster.It's not a emergent situation so the ambulance would not use lights and sirens,and you would have to wait for one to become avaliable to do a nonemegent transport.Just a few months ago I had to send a guy with a fishhook in his eye to another hospital took over 2 hours for an ambulance to get avaliable, a cab would have been much faster.

!/3 of your insurance dollar goes into a exutive's pocket.A socialized system may be better and cheaper.Yes you taxes may go up but,would it go up as much as your insurance premimus and co pays have?

[keenan]

That kind of stuff happens all the time here and now,not all hospitals have the capibility to handle that kin of thing and the patient is transferred by ambulance. A cab is cheaper and may be faster.It's not a emergent situation so the ambulance would not use lights and sirens,and you would have to wait for one to become avaliable to do a nonemegent transport.Just a few months ago I had to send a guy with a fishhook in his eye to another hospital took over 2 hours for an ambulance to get avaliable, a cab would have been much faster.

!/3 of your insurance dollar goes into a exutive's pocket.A socialized system may be better and cheaper.Yes you taxes may go up but,would it go up as much as your insurance premimus and co pays have?

While our taxes may go up at a lower rate than premiums, our quality of service will plummet. Im not saying I know what the answer is, I am saying I know what the answer isnt. It isnt socialized medicine. Yes, its cheaper, yes, everyone is covered. But the quality suffers as a result. And, more importantly, socialized medicine will NEVER work in a non socialist Government. Its doomed to fail. JMHO

[seaspine]

While our taxes may go up at a lower rate than premiums, our quality of service will plummet. Im not saying I know what the answer is, I am saying I know what the answer isnt. It isnt socialized medicine. Yes, its cheaper, yes, everyone is covered. But the quality suffers as a result. And, more importantly, socialized medicine will NEVER work in a non socialist Government. Its doomed to fail. JMHO

I don't pretend to know what the answer is either,In my line of work (then and now)I ave seen allot of people from countries with socialized medicine that are very happy with it.The only thing I know that the attituides of big business are not helping.The insurance companies should be bending over backwards to insure everyone they can and quit refusing coverage to their cusomers right now to prevent socialized medicie, In my dealings with them they are refusing to insure more people and refusing to allow services they are being paid to give.I think they want a socialized plan so they can sell supplement plans.If I need to see a patient that has a private plan for 3 visits 3 times a week I ask for visits for 6 weeks and even then they often will not autharuize the needed visits.Medicare is socialized medicine and I never have a problem getting what I need.

You live in Florida,it,s the same thing with home owners insurance.The insurance companies are refusing to cover anyone with any kind of risk,you probaly have socialized home owners insurance (Citizan's) and you CAN'T get insurance any other way.The samething that happened with Florida Homeoweners insurance is what is happening with heath insurance nation wide.Soon we will have to do something to insure the uninsurable(not the poor,the people they refuse to insure).I am willing and able to buy health insurance but no one will sell it to me,no one will give me a full time job, they will hire me part time (no Bennies) and work me 60-80 hours a week.I'm ranting!Lets just say I want the choice to buy the best insurance out there(medicare) for a reasonable price,rather then make some private insurance exutives rich.

[Brian]

I'm quite happy with my premiums and co-pays. I work for a good company and I'm quite thankful for the coverage that is provided to me. The company is self insured and it costs them a lot to provide this benefit. Having said that, my wife gets very bad migrains and there's only one medication that works for her and it's very expensive. The pills cost about $26 each. Insurance will only pay for 8 pills a month and that's never enough. So, I pump a lot of money into my flex spending account to pay for the additioal pills needed. Also, I elected not to carry dental or vision, but use my flex spending to pay for that. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't think insurance companies should be forced to cover everything under the sun. If people are requried to have a vested interest in their health care, then they'll use it a little more wisely. If you have to pay a little more, then maybe you'll ask a few more questions about the tests the doctors want to run and maybe you don't run to the doctor every time you get the sniffles (I know some people that do).

This isn't coming out at all the way I want it to. Basically, I think insurance should be for catastrophic coverage, not for every day routine treatment.

While I agree with Keenan that the quality of care will suffer, I'm more afraid of "what's next". I don't believe for one second that it'll end with health care.

[keenan]

I don't pretend to know what the answer is either,In my line of work (then and now)I ave seen allot of people from countries with socialized medicine that are very happy with it.The only thing I know that the attituides of big business are not helping.The insurance companies should be bending over backwards to insure everyone they can and quit refusing coverage to their cusomers right now to prevent socialized medicie, In my dealings with them they are refusing to insure more people and refusing to allow services they are being paid to give.I think they want a socialized plan so they can sell supplement plans.If I need to see a patient that has a private plan for 3 visits 3 times a week I ask for visits for 6 weeks and even then they often will not autharuize the needed visits.Medicare is socialized medicine and I never have a problem getting what I need.

You live in Florida,it,s the same thing with home owners insurance.The insurance companies are refusing to cover anyone with any kind of risk,you probaly have socialized home owners insurance (Citizan's) and you CAN'T get insurance any other way.The samething that happened with Florida Homeoweners insurance is what is happening with heath insurance nation wide.Soon we will have to do something to insure the uninsurable(not the poor,the people they refuse to insure).I am willing and able to buy health insurance but no one will sell it to me,no one will give me a full time job, they will hire me part time (no Bennies) and work me 60-80 hours a week.I'm ranting!Lets just say I want the choice to buy the best insurance out there(medicare) for a reasonable price,rather then make some private insurance exutives rich.

I hear ya. Im really not sure its a fixable problem, given the magnitude of it all. I dont think the problem is uninsurable people, nor do i think the answer is to have a sytem that insures everybody, regardless of thier situation. I really think, the FIRST step to fixing the problem, is we have to address the GREED, and the UNaccountable people who run the whole shebang. The whole thing is being touted as fixing the current high cost of health care. You cant wave a 1700 page magic wand and SERIOUSLY think its gonna fix the problem. This actually shoulda been started a LONG time ago. Ive said in other posts, when I go to a hospital, and I have insurance, I pay $57.00 for a freakin aspirin. That may be a sin, but the BIG sin is the guy in the bed next to me on Medicare, and Medicare is charged $75.00 for the SAME aspirin !! We're talkin ASPIRIN ! THAT, in my opinion, is where you START to fix the problem. Lets start charging a REASONABLE price for aspirin ! Id agree to $ 5.00, and they still make 1000 % profit. I dont think the cost of health care is high because health care is expensive, I think health care is expensive because of greed, therefore the cost of healthcare is high. Lets hold these thieves charging for that aspirin accountable, and its the first step to the solution, IMHO.

Edited January 1, 2010 by keenan

[DannyBoyfromWashington]

I hear ya. Im really not sure its a fixable problem, given the magnitude of it all. I dont think the problem is uninsurable people, nor do i think the answer is to have a sytem that insures everybody, regardless of thier situation. I really think, the FIRST step to fixing the problem, is we have to address the GREED, and the UNaccountable people who run the whole shebang. The whole thing is being touted as fixing the current high cost of health care. You cant wave a 1700 page magic wand and SERIOUSLY think its gonna fix the problem. This actually shoulda been started a LONG time ago. Ive said in other posts, when I go to a hospital, and I have insurance, I pay $57.00 for a freakin aspirin. That may be a sin, but the BIG sin is the guy in the bed next to me on Medicare, and Medicare is charged $75.00 for the SAME aspirin !! We're talkin ASPIRIN ! THAT, in my opinion, is where you START to fix the problem. Lets start charging a REASONABLE price for aspirin ! Id agree to $ 5.00, and they still make 1000 % profit. I dont think the cost of health care is high because health care is expensive, I think health care is expensive because of greed, therefore the cost of healthcare is high. Lets hold these thieves charging for that aspirin accountable, and its the first step to the solution, IMHO.

Here here, and seconded.

[keenan]

While I agree with Keenan that the quality of care will suffer, I'm more afraid of "what's next". I don't believe for one second that it'll end with health care.

Sooo true Brian. I am SO tired of this "Mother Government" we're turning into. Example, my wife still smokes analogs. Several states, including ours, have a law being passed tonight about "Fire Safe Cigarettes", or FSC cigs. ALL cigs sold in these states MUST be FSC. They have little "bands" woven into the paper, so if you set the cig down, it will put itself out instead of burn all the way through. WTF !!! REALLY ? Theyve already started selling them here, and for the last 2 weeks my wife has been homicidal because every time she looks down, or goes to take a puff, the cig is out ! She has to relight 1 cig about 6 times. Now, I know, maybe she'll quit now, and Id like nothing better. BUT, I am not a hypocrite, and I will DIE to protect her right to smoke, her "pursuit of happiness". I dont think for one second these were made to prevent fires. PUHLEEEZE ! Whats next, fire safe candles? Fire safe Bic Lighters? How about investing some money to prevent child abduction ? Oh no, we have to protect pedophiles rights, I forgot. And has ANYONE else noticed all these little ads on FoxNews.com and Cnn and Yahoo that say "Obama Wants Single Mothers To.." or "Obama Wants You to Go Back To School". This stuff is scaring the living daylights outta me, I swear. This is what they do in China. In Vietnam. In Korea. They Diefy there leader, make them God Like. I DO NOT like Obama, but he is my freely elected President, and I will acknowledge that, but I am SO close to crossing the line, because I expect HIM to be the first one to say "Stop This Nonsense" Mother Government HAS to go !. Whew. Sorry, BIG rant there. Last one of this year, I promise.

[nana]

I had never heard of the firesafe cigarettes until after I starting vaping. I'd been getting a sick feeling and a lot of headaches for the last couple of months of smoking and after I heard about the firesafe crap and heard about the side effects, I knew that's what had been causing my problem. All those things cleared up the day I quit smoking.

Obama wants people to go to school? Interesting. Wonder why that is? My husband works for a place that will pay for you to go to college if it's for something to do with their business. He has wanted to do it for years, but they only reimbursed you later for what you paid. We could never afford it, so he didn't do it. Now there is a college that will accept payments after the class is finished, so he signed up and is going for his Masters. Great, right? Then he finds out they will only pay for so many credit hours a year and it will take longer than he'd planned, but hey, it's free, right? Not quite. He just got his check to send to the school and found out that after just so much money for school, the government decides you have to pay them. The check did not cover the whole cost of $4,000. because they had to take $1,200. out for taxes. Nice, huh? Now he has to take even less classes a year so we don't have the taxes to pay. That, or plan ahead and try to come up with the extra money ourselves. But to find this out, right before Christmas...not such good news.

[Schizophretard]

I hear ya. Im really not sure its a fixable problem, given the magnitude of it all. I dont think the problem is uninsurable people, nor do i think the answer is to have a sytem that insures everybody, regardless of thier situation. I really think, the FIRST step to fixing the problem, is we have to address the GREED, and the UNaccountable people who run the whole shebang. The whole thing is being touted as fixing the current high cost of health care. You cant wave a 1700 page magic wand and SERIOUSLY think its gonna fix the problem. This actually shoulda been started a LONG time ago. Ive said in other posts, when I go to a hospital, and I have insurance, I pay $57.00 for a freakin aspirin. That may be a sin, but the BIG sin is the guy in the bed next to me on Medicare, and Medicare is charged $75.00 for the SAME aspirin !! We're talkin ASPIRIN ! THAT, in my opinion, is where you START to fix the problem. Lets start charging a REASONABLE price for aspirin ! Id agree to $ 5.00, and they still make 1000 % profit. I dont think the cost of health care is high because health care is expensive, I think health care is expensive because of greed, therefore the cost of healthcare is high. Lets hold these thieves charging for that aspirin accountable, and its the first step to the solution, IMHO.

That is why we just get the government out of health care altogether. We already have a form of socialized medicine. There are all kinds of laws and regulations that control it. When you add the government into the market all you get is huge greedy corporations because that is the only way a company can survive. If you take the government out of the picture then the free market will regulate itself. For an example, look at our favorite market, the e-cig market. It is working perfectly fine. We can get great prices, products, and customer service. We are scared to death of the government laying a finger on our e-cigs because we know it will destroy them. Socialized medicine gave us the patch and the free market gave us e-cigs. You are right that we cant wave a 1700 page magic wand and seriously think its going to fix the problem. We can do the opposite. We can wave an eraser.

[Brian]

The last few cartons of analogs I had before finding vaping were FSC and they were a pain in the... I had heard about them and figured it wouldn't matter to me because I smoked them so fast, but sure enough, I had quite a few go out on me.

[Schizophretard]

Well, we are using the real FSC now!

[BMW]

Keenan

I registered as an independant. Disgusted with both partys. Anyway, I heard from two differant sources that because I'm a registered independent I won't be allowed to vote in 2010. Please tell me it isn't so. thanks BMW

[keenan]

Keenan

I registered as an independant. Disgusted with both partys. Anyway, I heard from two differant sources that because I'm a registered independent I won't be allowed to vote in 2010. Please tell me it isn't so. thanks BMW

Youll be able to vote in the general election, but you MAY not be able to vote in the primarys, if an Independant candidate isnt running. Thats how I believe it works, someone correct me if Im wrong. But Ill do some checking and get back to ya anyway BMW. A few years ago, my wife registered as an Indy, cause she thought it meant SHE was independant. I explained to her that, no, its a party, just like Dems and Repubs, and now thats your party. She couldnt vote in the primary that year. Then, after I, and my whole family told her that she would have to register as a Republican or be sacrificed in a fire on top of the Andes mountains, she saw the light.

Edited January 1, 2010 by keenan