"The E-Cigarette Ban: A Win for Liars and Big Tobacco" an article by Dr. Steven J. Allen

[Tam]

Here's a great article by a doctor who has done his homework. Nice to see positive news reporting for a change.

https://capitalresearch.org/2016/09/the-e-cigarette-ban-a-win-for-liars-and-big-tobacco/

[Patricia]

I need to anonymously send this article to my boss where I just started working. They have a policy that if you work for them you cannot use ANY kind of nicotine whether you are working or when your off work. If they draw your blood or check your urine and you have nicotine in your system you get fired on the spot. Of course I cheat. I do have to work 12 hour shifts without being able to vape but on the hour ride home I think I vape a tank Lol. If they test me Ill just be fired. I think that policy is so wrong anyway. What a person does on their off time and it is not illegal they should not be able to control that. If I didn't need the money so much I would not have taken the job.  

[Edna]

5 minutes ago, Patricia said:

I need to anonymously send this article to my boss where I just started working. They have a policy that if you work for them you cannot use ANY kind of nicotine whether you are working or when your off work. If they draw your blood or check your urine and you have nicotine in your system you get fired on the spot. Of course I cheat. I do have to work 12 hour shifts without being able to vape but on the hour ride home I think I vape a tank Lol. If they test me Ill just be fired. I think that policy is so wrong anyway. What a person does on their off time and it is not illegal they should not be able to control that. If I didn't need the money so much I would not have taken the job.  

Baylor Hospital here in Texas is the same way. It's ridiculous that they think they can control an adults activity on their private time. Alcohol is legal off duty but not vaping? Of course with the economy being in the dumpster they take advantage of the over abundance of prospective employees. I hope they leave you alone.

[Earthling789]

Great article @Tam... I read it full-length, and felt all warm and fuzzy   I'll be sharing it to many people today, including my congressmen and representatives... and forwarding a copy to the brass at the FDA!

As for hospitals and corporations outlawing/banning tobacco use... I find it to be a pile of sh*t... Your employer should have the right to fire you if you are doing something that will impair your function (drinking on the job, doing lines of coke in the bathroom, heroine on your luch-break, etc.) but studies on tobacco have NEVER proven it impairs you while using it... furthermore, Nicotine is a stimulant like caffeine, yet most employers provide coffee for FREE to employees all day, every day!  All of this boils down to the CONTROL and paranoia created by the the Nanny-State, and ultimately, the ACA.  Tobacco is bad, therefore Nicotine is bad, therefore Nicotine use in any form is a bad thing (because Nicotine is apparently the only substance in leaf-tobacco, right?), so you must be a smoker and you're endangering your health and the health of those around you through second-hand and third-hand smoke.  You must be fired because you are a danger to yourself and others!  Sounds insane and asinine, right?  Well, that's the logic of our "betters"....

My employer requires us to submit to an annual physical and blood test in order to garner (up to) $1500 discounts on our health insurance.  If you don't take the physical, you don't get the discounts... if you fail the blood test (find nicotine, alcohol, drugs, etc) you don't get a portion of the discount (for Nicotine use).  If you test positive for drugs/alcohol then you can be fired (or forced to rehab).  However if your cholesterol is 2000 (yes, you'd be dead if it were), you can still get full discounts?!?  Fortunately, my doctor (when filling out my insurance forms) won't list Nicotine, even if found, on the forms if you're a former smoker and current/fomer vaper... He is a former smoker too, and knows that Nicotine is NOT the problem!  Actually, my most recent physical and blood test showed Nicotine to be at the "background" level anyway... no more than if I had just eaten a baked potato and salad with tomato and eggplant in it....

At a town-hall meeting with our governor and a few state representatives a few years ago... they were discussing taxes and budget for infrastructure, etc.  ...  I spoke up and asked the question regarding tobacco taxes and the illogical stance of "tobacco free society".  I was rebuffed and asked to leave (by security) when I posed the question... "I understand it is the goal of this administration to see tobacco use at zero, yet you continue to raise, and rely heavily on taxes from tobacco products, and I see from your budget proposals that you have earmarked several million dollars of the budget to be covered by these taxes... so I ask if your goal is to ultimately rid the state of tobacco use, why are you planning your multi-year budget to rely so heavily on tobacco taxes?  Why are you taxing tobacco products at all, if you don't intend on receiving those tax dollars in the very near future?"

[Tam]

12 hours ago, Earthling789 said:

Great article @Tam... I read it full-length, and felt all warm and fuzzy  

 

Aw, that's sweet, @Earthling789. I'm glad it made your day.  *picks fuzz off Earthling* 

I loved your question to the governor and state representatives, and find it very ironic that they're trying to make everything "tobacco-free" when they work in Kentucky. *rolls eyes*

My work is going to announce tomorrow how they're going to make the entire campus a "tobacco-free" property by 2017. They won't even allow smoking or vaping in your own private vehicle if it's parked in their parking lot. I'm going to be at the press conference but standing in the very back because I have a feeling that I won't want to be any closer to the front when the $hit starts flying. 

[Earthling789]

@Tam The office I use to work at tried that crap of "not in your personal vehicle, while on our property", but 500+ employees reminded them that we can park in a city lot (a mile away), and walk or take the bus to work, and let the homeless or circus set up tents in "their" parking lot... or all quit...  They saw the light and backed off, but they were pushing for more totalitarian control... no smoking in your car, no eating your lunch in your car, no weapons in your car, and the most egregious of the list... random inspections of your car (interior/trunk) while on their property... which is a total violation of our Constitutional Rights!

This state drives me nuts sometimes...  The whole of the state is mostly conservative, yet they keep electing Utopian Totalitarian Nanny-state Hippie Dems/Liberals/Socialists into the state and local governments... and then complain all day about how their rights are continually eroded

If I were there, you'd better believe I'd be in the front row... citing my 4th and 5th Amendment rights, and telling the school administration to take a long walk off a short pier!!

My property insurance agent recently came out and told me I had to cut down some trees because they posed a threat to the house if they fell... okay, I can see that... but 3-weeks later another guy came out to see if they had been removed... and then proceeded to tell me that I had too many cars in my driveway... the couch-style bench and two chairs on my porch didn't "look good", and that the English Ivy growing up one side of my house didn't "look good" and could be a "potential fire hazard" or "could push the house off the foundation"!  Ummm... it's my property and if I want 20 cars on blocks in the driveway and yard it's MY BUSINESS (BTW, the six vehicles and three motorcycles in my driveway all RUN and are driven regularly... I have 4 drivers in my house!), and I reminded him he worked for the insurance company, not Better Homes and Garden nor was he a Botanist...  If English Ivy were a hazardous plant, every University and government office in the US and UK would lay in ruins!  If they try any crap with my policy, I'll be happy to find another insurance company   Crap like this is why I'd NEVER live in an area with an HOA, lol... I'd be the guy with a bright pink mailbox and a Camaro on blocks in the front yard... just to piss them off...

[FXRich]

Hearing about how the nanny state is getting out of control makes me glad I live where I do. A place down the road from me gets mistaken for a junkyard sometimes, the guy across the road flies a confederate flag below the American flag. Gunshots can be heard daily, and nobody pays any attention to it, I built a 100 yard shooting range in the back of my property, and some of my neighbors use it regularly.

Yes I may be old fashioned, but I like it that way, and I don't care if I offend somebody, and sometimes do it on purpose.

Rant over for now, have a nice day.

 

[Edna]

13 hours ago, FXRich said:

Hearing about how the nanny state is getting out of control makes me glad I live where I do. A place down the road from me gets mistaken for a junkyard sometimes, the guy across the road flies a confederate flag below the American flag. Gunshots can be heard daily, and nobody pays any attention to it, I built a 100 yard shooting range in the back of my property, and some of my neighbors use it regularly.

Yes I may be old fashioned, but I like it that way, and I don't care if I offend somebody, and sometimes do it on purpose.

Rant over for now, have a nice day.

 

@FXRich  Are you in the mountains? If you are I'm so jealous.  Texas is great (for the most part) about personal freedoms but SO FLAT

I have to drive about to go shooting but that's ok. BTW there's nothing wrong with being old fashioned

 

[FXRich]

8 hours ago, Edna said:

Are you in the mountains? If you are I'm so jealous.  Texas is great (for the most part) about personal freedoms but SO FLAT

There is a problem living here that involves vaping, when I go someplace it's not uncommon to change altitude a lot, when you change altitude it causes tanks to leak, so when I go to town I have to vape a lot or my tank will leak. Not a problem in the car, but when I ride my bike I have leaky tanks.

[Edna]

15 hours ago, FXRich said:

There is a problem living here that involves vaping, when I go someplace it's not uncommon to change altitude a lot, when you change altitude it causes tanks to leak, so when I go to town I have to vape a lot or my tank will leak. Not a problem in the car, but when I ride my bike I have leaky tanks.

@FXRich 

I can see where pressure equalization could be a problem  or maybe annoying..(Tank altitude sickness...now that's a first).. however it's one problem I would happily put up with