vaping_jake Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I am trying to understand the rebuild process, but currently stuck on oneof the rules. Torch your coils. The only reasons I can think of : 1) it makes it either easier to wrap or or maintain the wrap or maybe both or 2) not to get a metallic taste on your vape SO the question I ask is what is the reason for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compenstine Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 As you said it takes the spring out of the wire. This makes it easier to wrap. You want to do this after it is wrapped to tighten up the coils too. This is done when making macro, micro and low ohm builds. Once installed, you will heat the coil up again with the battery to tighten it up more. You also also do this to make sure it is glowing from the inside out. Tug 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoevapekins Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 ^^this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mplough Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 What they said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishguy1123 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 It's important to note that when heating the coil on the device not to pinch the coil while pressing the button unless you have ceramic tweezers. tazl37 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mplough Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Ah *slaps forehead*, that's what they're for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoevapekins Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I need a new pair of tweezers and a ohm meter. Led is going out on mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishguy1123 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Ah *slaps forehead*, that's what they're for. And all this time you've been plucking nose hairs with them.... lol Mplough and jasonculp 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tam Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I need a new pair of tweezers and a ohm meter. Led is going out on mine Mine too. Ceramic tweezers would be better than the extra fine needle nosed pliers I've been using - it puts out too much force and I wind up squishing my coils more than I wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mplough Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 And all this time you've been plucking nose hairs with them.... lol Actually I have a trimmer for that. Seriously though I thought it was to keep heat from traveling up the arms, I never assumed anyone would squeeze them while applying power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compenstine Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 You do get better results buy heating as you squeeze it. I don't have ceramic tips so I have to heat 3-4 times to do the same thing you could do 1-2 times with the ceramic tipped tweezers. Tam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tam Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I torch the wire first and then wind it into a coil. Once that's done I squeeze and torch at the same time. Torching the wire first takes a lot of the springiness out of the wire so it holds its shape better after you wind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compenstine Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I do the same Tam. But seems every time I install the coil it spreads a bit. That is why I heat and squeeze again after I install it. Tam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earthling789 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 You mean packing the wire in ice for an hour, wrapping over and over against the grain, and then forcing the coil into a vice isn't the proper way?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tam Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 You mean packing the wire in ice for an hour, wrapping over and over against the grain, and then forcing the coil into a vice isn't the proper way?? We all have our own favorite ways to do things, Earthling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoevapekins Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I no longer torch my coils. Just wrap and grab both leads with vise grips and give a good pull. Install pulse and squeeze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compenstine Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 That is for bread ties only Earthling. LMAO Tam and joejoevapekins 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mplough Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 (edited) In theory, wouldn't having small gaps between the windings give better airflow to the cotton in the coil to help prevent scorching? Edited January 17, 2015 by Mplough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compenstine Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I have found that having the gap does not allow the coil to vaporize the liquid as well. This allows the coil to clog up faster. Tam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earthling789 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I have found that having the gap does not allow the coil to vaporize the liquid as well. This allows the coil to clog up faster. I agree with this... The more space between wraps, only allows char and gunk to build up. Tighter wraps get hotter... I use to be a lighting engineer, and one thing about coil building for Halogen lighting is to minimize the gap for the hottest, brightest coil... and then figuring out the gas mixture, volume, pressure, and bulb-wall-thickness to maximize life (and minimize explosion). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mplough Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Gotcha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaping_jake Posted January 17, 2015 Author Share Posted January 17, 2015 Thanks all. In terms of gaps, i believe since we seek current flow which is based on "skin effect" that gaps would hinder the desired performance. Now I maybe dating myself here, but in the past when prototyping micro controllers we use to use a wire wrap tool. It would make a very nice tight coil around a post. perhaps this might help produce better wraps, just a theory. The tool would cost any where from $3 and up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tam Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 There are coilers made specifically for wrapping coils for vaping available. Your idea is a good one, though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earthling789 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Kuro Koiler is a cool manual winding tool... but they are pricey if you buy them in the US... $20 each, and there's a set of 3. Fasttech has the full set for < $7 I have one of those electronics wire tools somewhere in storage, but for $7, I just bought the spiffy ones from Fasttech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tam Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I have a Q-coiler, which works well for me but it's a bit bigger than I like. At first, I thought the bigger size would be good, but as time has gone by, I'm leaning more toward the Kuro Koiler that Earthling mentioned as being more convenient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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