hookahhighness Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Ok i was watching Mod Envy last night and this was the main topic. I want to know sooooo much more. I DIY and buy flavors from TFA and Flavor West. Now they say they are Diacetyl free but i know custards and butters and things that give your vape that creamy butter taste have traces. Suicide Bunnys just got into a issue with this, if what i was told was correct. Now lets gets this rolling, everyone needs to know about this. Especially the new vapers who have no clue what this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffb Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I heard diacetyl isnt good for you. What exactly is the problem with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebop Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 (edited) In Fairness I think it should be pointed out that this an old issue and was a much bigger deal something on the order of 2 years ago. Diacetyl is an ingredient once used in flavorings to mimic butter and cream flavors. Not considered dangerous to ingest in general, it was determined that vaping or inhaling it was not good as evidence shows it to be antipathetic to the lungs. Inflammatory disease causing shortness of breath. News of this quickly spread thru the vaping community and manufacturers quickly adjusted. It absolutely can't be stated that there are no Diacetyls left but largely and generally speaking they have been removed from use in vaping. There still remains a very small percentage of juices that have "trace amounts" of diacetyl and most manufacturers label their juice with a warning ( you will see this on Vaping Monkey's "Monkey Cream" for example ). "Trace Amounts" is very tiny but as always, vape at your own risk. My personal opinion on the matter is I avoid it even in trace amounts but even so it is light years less significant than smoking and not to be freaked out about. Edited September 21, 2014 by Bebop12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookahhighness Posted September 21, 2014 Author Share Posted September 21, 2014 But if this was a issue 2 years ago what about the vapers that have been vaping for a few months to 2 years and missed all this, Diacetyl causes popcorn lung, which i dont know anything about. I want to know about the flavorings ppl buy, i vape a butter custard almost all day about 15 mls a day because i drip. I wanna know is this over the safety limit that i heard about supposedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebop Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 (edited) Does your juice contain diacetyls? Just because a juice has butter or cream flavors does not mean it has diacetyl. Edited September 21, 2014 by Bebop12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookahhighness Posted September 21, 2014 Author Share Posted September 21, 2014 my custard is from TFA and they say no, but digging deeper there is traces of acetoin and acetyl propionyl (or diacetyl), but what i want to know is how does the trace amounts effect a person, i started this thread to get info on this subject. I want to know more about it, I read alot about this but I just get confused and I know ppl on here that can shed light onto this subject for me and the others that dont know about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebop Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 It was discovered when microwave popcorn manufacturers workers developed the disease by inhaling it on the job (from the butter flavoring used). Its an obstructive disease (inflamation) of the lung. I should clarify that in my first post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookahhighness Posted September 21, 2014 Author Share Posted September 21, 2014 Since this was a issue how many companys fixed this issue? I just would like to know what these compounds are and if its in alot of our daily things, what if any is a safe level. There are trace amounts they say but what is TRACE? Is it at such a low level it isnt a thing to worry too much or is even trace amounts bad??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebop Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 "Trace Amount" by definition means an amount that can be detected but not measurable. Insignificantly small and cannot cause harm if at all. As I said, you vape at your own risk so you either trust your source or you don't. Up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iQuit Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 (edited) As I love bakery flavored juices, I am interested in this topic as well. I am selective where I buy my juices from, but I have accepted that some of what I vape have traces of diacetyl. For me it is a calculated risk as I do not vape butttery/custard flavored juices all the time. Not sure how trace elements of diacetyl affects a person over time. That would probably depend on someone who has pre-existing respiratory problems, and other factors maybe such as genetic pre-desposition for such diseases Someone was awarded a multi-million settlement for developing popcorn lung. He ate 2 bags of popcorn a day for 10 years+ http://www.boston.com/dailydose/2012/09/20/you-need-worry-about-popcorn-lung-from-microwave-snacks/dDkwyN1sf2YoVsyszIIz3O/story.html Edited September 21, 2014 by iQuit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebop Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 It was only used in some ejuices and by no means all. As I said it was used to mimic butter or cream. I havent researched this for some time but to the best of my knowledge it is known about and avoided by most manufacturers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookahhighness Posted September 21, 2014 Author Share Posted September 21, 2014 (edited) I'm just going to have to contact TFA and ask them maybe they can shed light onto this better for me since it is their product, Flavor West say nothing bad at all is in their custard so if i have to I might have to just buy it from them. But if they respond back i deff will post it. BTW thanks Bebop for your help. Appreciate it man. Edited September 21, 2014 by hookahhighness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebop Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Well, I'm only giving my opinion based on my own research a year ago or more. I don't claim to be a scientist or anything and I'm just giving an overview of my own research. I personally don't worry about it and I don't buy "bathtub" ejuice. I love custard and cream juices and will in fact enjoy a Monkey Cream vape here and there but since I vape a very wide range of flavors it is a small amount of what I vape. Just an opinion. Hope it helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookahhighness Posted September 21, 2014 Author Share Posted September 21, 2014 What is bathtub juice, when ppl make juice in their homes then sell??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebop Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Yeah. I'm basically referring to "homemade" juice by people who may not know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookahhighness Posted September 21, 2014 Author Share Posted September 21, 2014 gotcha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compenstine Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 It is my understanding the use of Diacetyl for the most part was banned in the US because of the issue with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookahhighness Posted September 21, 2014 Author Share Posted September 21, 2014 wondering when you would chime in haha, see i've known about it but i just want to get a better understanding of it and how common or uncommon it is in the flavorings ppl purchase like myself and what vapers need to look out for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compenstine Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I have looked into it and as Bebop said it is found naturally in some flavorings. TFA doesn't "Add" it to flavorings they sell, but do warn that it may contain trace amounts. This is due to it being in the product naturally. The following flavors may contain diacetyl Dairy Flavorings Hybrid Dairy Flavorings (Contains a substantial dairy content) Brown Flavorings Alcohol Flavorings Other Flavorings Fruit Flavorings Butter Butter Pecan Butterscotch Brandy Nutmeg Strawberry Cheese Strawberry Crème Caramel Rum Honey Cranberry Cream Cheese Vanilla Crème Vanilla Whisky Graham Cracker Raspberry Cheesecake Other Crème Flavors Coffee Pina Colada Vinegar Blackberry Milk Root Beer Float Tea Meat flavors (e.g. gravy Boysenberry Yogurt Chai Toffee Malt Other berry flavors Ice Cream Chocolate (esp. milk chocolate) Wine Fruit flavors -nearly any kind (e.g., banana, apple, grape, pear) Egg Cocoa Beer Cider Ranch Dressing Cocoa Butter Tequila Tomato Sour Cream Maple Buttermilk Brown Sugar Mayonnaise Marshmallow Peanut Butter Praline Starter Distillate or Butter Starter Distillate Hazelnut & other nut flavors Wow that didn't paste well LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebop Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Well.... i think there is legislation to ban it statewide but the only bans I know of are within companies themselves that have "banned" the use in manufacturing of their own products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compenstine Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 That may be why I was thinking that. I did some searching on that and only found companies that have voluntarily discontinued it's use. I could have swore I heard it on CNN years ago when they discovered Popcorn Lung. I think what I heard was they, OSHA, were trying to ban it because I did find that from around 2004-2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushwick Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 https://soundcloud.com/vp-live/suicide-bunny-e-liquids-test-positive There could be diacetyl or similar chemicals in your juice, and the manufacturer might not even know. They buy Flavoring that is marketed as diacetyl free, but when ordering these flavorings from over seas vendors, you really have no idea what is in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compenstine Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Thank you for posting this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushwick Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 No problem, Comp. I recently stumbled into the chat room for that stream. I really enjoyed listening to Dimitris' stream and chatting with the other listeners. Lots of valid concerns were discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compenstine Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I agree. I'm still listening... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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