Spyke_696 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Ok so I'm mixing up my first batches of flavors and somthing going wrong and I'm trying to figure out what flavor is there with a nasty after taste so I'm wondering if it's 2 much flavor or to much pg or vg so 2 start this out ....is it possable that 2 much pg will cause a bad taste or is it tasteless .... my mix is 70 pg 30 vg 10% sweet tart flavor and 10 mg nic vg base .... main pg reason is because it's for my kayfun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compenstine Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 What mixing calculator are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyke_696 Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 Phone app from planet of the vapes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compenstine Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 As a baseline stick with mixes of 5ml to start with. Use no less that 18% for most flavorings and I would not go higher than 40%. Depending on your target ratio add PG or VG to that. Always count your Flavoring as PG unless it states No PG or doesn't have PG in the ingredients. Your nasty taste may be the flavoring. Some are just bad. Let it rest for a day or two before testing it. You will, in most cases, get a better flavor. PG can add a burn to your nose and TH. For your tank, do a 50/50 mix and you should fine for wicking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyke_696 Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 The mix is mathematically currect it's just the flavor don't taste right it's either 2 strong flavor or possable 2 low and I can taste the what I'll guess is pg being my biggest bulk I may try vaping just the pg then vg to see their solo taste and judge from there and even it out its all trial and error till you get it right :p if I'm not mistaken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compenstine Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Your right it is trial an error. I was not questioning the math, more the amount of flavoring. Try adding 1-2% sweetener (Cotton Candy) to it. But 10% is quite low. I have the FA Sweet Tart flavoring here and it is a little harsh, but adding sweetener mellows it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyke_696 Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 Ahh ya the cotton candy seems to not have much of a taste to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyke_696 Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 That also leads me 2 ask can vg and pg change flavors and make them worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compenstine Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 VG can mute flavor PG is the flavor carrier. The higher the VG the higher the flavor % you would want to use. For the most part if the PG and VG are 100% pure you would not really have an odd flavor from either. Some VG is between 95 and 97% pure and can add a strange taste. Wicking can add strange flavors, Some flavors do not hold up to heat or sub ohms. These are all factors in flavor. Cotton Candy needs to be around 30% to taste it as a single flavor. As an additive it acts more as a sweetener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyke_696 Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 Ahh ty for that i mixed my cotton candy at 10% lol 50 50 pg vg 10mg nic so that's why it was tasteless hell it don't even have much of a smell and atm I'm just using a 1.3 set up cotton wick in a kayfun my sub ohm stuff will come later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyke_696 Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 Ok well after work I'll be going home and mixing a ton of 3ml bottles 2 try and get these flavors right then mix my 10 ml or 30s so far i made 3 10 ml bottles should i pitch those out or is it fixable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compenstine Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 1.3 will be good for testing. Once you get a flavor that tastes good on that, try it on at a lower ohm. Cotton is good. Just remember, the first few hits off a re wick can add a funny taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyke_696 Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 I'm guessing i should ask this as it seems good 2 always have cotton candy on hand as a sweetener is there other flavors I'll want 2 keep on hand as additives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compenstine Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Assorted creams they can help mellow a vape and add a nice nuance to more complex flavors. It really depends on what you are striving for in flavor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyke_696 Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 Got ya ill just buy wizard out of their flavors and go 2 town lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyke_696 Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 ok well one of 2 things is going on here as i feel high as hell lol either my nic isnt currect str 100mg per ml so i gotta get a test kit or its because im puffing like crazy trying to see my flavors lol but either way its safe to say i better get a test kit ....im mixing 1 ml per 10 ml bottle so that should be the 10 mg im going for btw my mix came out perfect sweet smooth and lots of flavor .5 cotton candy .5 sweet tart 1. 100% nic 3.vg 5.pg = 10 ml / 10mg nic with a 60 pg /40 vg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compenstine Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Did you shake the NIC base really good? You need to shake it every time you use it to make sure that it is mixed well and not separated. Yes even at 10mg chain vaping can give you a buzz. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaporsmith Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Ethyl maltol is what a lot of companies use as sweetener to make flavors pop, I don't use it often, but it does work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyke_696 Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 My butter rum flavor is full of that ethyl maltol and i can get it to taste right my wife likes it but I don't maybe it can be a sweetener or somthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyke_696 Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 Cant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaporsmith Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 You can get ethyl maltol in crystal form to mix in to juices. Somewhere around 2% (diluted.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyke_696 Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 Should I shake everything lol cause 2 be honest I havent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaporsmith Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Oh yeah for sure every time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyke_696 Posted August 16, 2014 Author Share Posted August 16, 2014 rjr that so if im pulling from the top will it be the nic that floats or the vg and im picturing its the nic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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