Herbal Vaporizers

[nurse3766]

does anyone know if you can use herbal vaporizers? i know you can use Iolite but what about these other cheaper convection heating types? VP-200 Conduction Heating Herbal Vaporizer. these require no atomizers batteies etc. downside its not very portable but im thinking something w/o all the expensive parts to use at home.

thanks for any advice in advance.

[Christopher]

I believe a few members tried this and it did not work at well. This was also tried over on ECF and the taste was gone as well as a very strong throat hit.

I suppose there is nothing to loose in trying it but I don't recommend it.

[nurse3766]

I believe a few members tried this and it did not work at well. This was also tried over on ECF and the taste was gone as well as a very strong throat hit.

I suppose there is nothing to loose in trying it but I don't recommend it.

darn well im going to try the iolite. need to do some more msg board searches 1st.

ive had my "try it set" (DSE801) since Friday and managed to break an atomizer already. i thought it was loose and over twisted it and im pretty sure i broke the wiring inside it. i wish i had some bottles of juice and replacement parts, i ordered that stuff friday so i doubt ill get anything until mid week. i might try squeezing a drop of that prefilled cart onto the atomizer and see if it will fire up.

I hope as time goes by im not ruining parts this fast. most likely operator error on my part

BTW i dont like a strong throat hit. i like it smooth and i dont even inhale that hard if i do i feel like my head might pop lol.

anyways thanks for the response I appreciate anyone who takes time to answer questions

[NeRo9k]

The lower the Nicotine level the less throat hit. Try apple from Awesomevapor, the throat hit was really smooth.

[jmhester]

OK, help out us old guys. What is an herbal vaporizer? I looked it up and I'm still not clear. Remember some of us go back to when Chong invented the b**g. :P

[nurse3766]

OK, help out us old guys. What is an herbal vaporizer? I looked it up and I'm still not clear. Remember some of us go back to when Chong invented the b**g. :P

heres an example this thing is called Iolite they cost 250$ however they are about 175$ on ebay

iolite

theres alot of different types of vaporizers heres a link

http://www.vaporoutlet.com/?versionid=12085&gclid=COKs8ZqWop4CFREhDQodQnJ0lA

so the jist of it far as i know is, no burning its vaporizing like an ecig. so what i wanted was 1 i could use when im at home. something easy and hopfully electric, however i am getting the Iolite which is portable and runs on butane. theres no atomizers and no batteries ie im going to save a wad of money. 175$ initial investment = 10 batteries and 7 atomizers for a reg e cig and ive already broken my 1st atomizer my 3rd or 4th day using an ecig. im certainly no expert on this stuff.

here is an excellent youtube demo i found of how the iolite works and how to use it with the e liquid.this guy in the video also explains how much to dilute the juice so it wont taste to strong in this iolite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTow4sbnJnA

[nurse3766]

The lower the Nicotine level the less throat hit. Try apple from Awesomevapor, the throat hit was really smooth.

right now im smoking 18 mg i ordered 24 mg; which, i plan to cut 50/50 with VG

hopefully it wont be too strong in the iolite, if it is i suppose ill cut it more and add extra flavorings. im so so so so grateful that i discovered ecigs i never knew they existed until last week. and now i never want analogs again. im also very thankful for all the help ive gotten on the boards.

[ddavelarsen]

im so so so so grateful that i discovered ecigs i never knew they existed until last week. and now i never want analogs again. im also very thankful for all the help ive gotten on the boards.

Amen to that! I'm so thankful for learning about PVs and finding this forum I can't say it enough.

For what it's worth - and coming from me, that's virtually zero - I've read that VG for some people has a bit of a 'greasy' feel. Don't know whether that's true but when I get around to DIY I'm planning to go easy on the VG, at least at first.

[NeRo9k]

I don't doubt that it would work; but, that item is usually used for different 'illegal' purposes.

[DannyBoyfromWashington]

Ok, that device may work well as an e-cig also ( have not tried one ) , just a couple things to note on it, (1) it actualy uses combustion so does not beat the smoking ban, but if you are planning it only for home use it may be just fine. (2) you will need to refill it with butane fuel ( added recuring cost ). and (3) with the electronic ignition system it uses ( similar to and electronic sparked lighter ) may eventualy fail for 1 of 2 reasons (1) carbon build up in the ignition chamber or (2) melting or wearing back of the insulation material around the spark wire, and this is most likely a non-replacable part. I am not trying to rain on your parade, just pointing out some cost considerations. Happy Vaping

[nurse3766]

Ok, that device may work well as an e-cig also ( have not tried one ) , just a couple things to note on it, (1) it actualy uses combustion so does not beat the smoking ban, but if you are planning it only for home use it may be just fine. (2) you will need to refill it with butane fuel ( added recuring cost ). and (3) with the electronic ignition system it uses ( similar to and electronic sparked lighter ) may eventualy fail for 1 of 2 reasons (1) carbon build up in the ignition chamber or (2) melting or wearing back of the insulation material around the spark wire, and this is most likely a non-replacable part. I am not trying to rain on your parade, just pointing out some cost considerations. Happy Vaping

actually it does not use combustion. combustion would mean fire and burning, the material would burn. it uses conduction and convection i believe. it is heated with butane however ecig is heated with electricity either way it doesn't matter because the material never burns because the temp never gets hot enough to combust. now about the parts wearing out eventually im sure they will hopefully w/in the 2 yr warranty period, as far as butane, its alot cheaper than atomizers and batteries. since it doesn't combust and it doesn't smoke its not a smoking device its a vaporizer. im not worried about smoking bans im concerned with inhaling smoke and paying out the butt to do it lol.

[DannyBoyfromWashington]

actually it does not use combustion. combustion would mean fire and burning, the material would burn. it uses conduction and convection i believe. it is heated with butane however ecig is heated with electricity either way it doesn't matter because the material never burns because the temp never gets hot enough to combust. now about the parts wearing out eventually im sure they will hopefully w/in the 2 yr warranty period, as far as butane, its alot cheaper than atomizers and batteries. since it doesn't combust and it doesn't smoke its not a smoking device its a vaporizer. im not worried about smoking bans im concerned with inhaling smoke and paying out the butt to do it lol.

I guess I am just confused on how the thing works then. I have been all over the web looking for a complete parts blow up to no avail. all I can find are the few replacable parts. I am no slouch in the physics department, short of a bachelors degree, and still do not know how butane is being used to create heat without combustion, unless it is just using the gas expansion through a turbine of some sort to change the stored energy to electricity? maybee you can clarify that for me please? I guess I just assumed (carefull with those) from the information available that it was using a seperately exhausted combustion chamber and a heat relay to transfer the heat to the pin which in turn heated the vapor chamber. I would love some more detailed information on the process this device uses. If I am wrong about it's mode of function then I sincerely apologise for casting any dispersions on using it in place of an e-cig device.

Update: further investigation indicates that it is using some other power source besides the butane which allows it to use the butane as a heat catalyst without combustion ( i.e. A battery of some sort ) still not real clear on what it uses since it claims to not use a battery.

Edited November 30, 2009 by DannyBoyfromWashington

[mcquinn]

I think once you get used to vaping you will like it the best.I have quit looking for a better way and I get pretty good service from my e-ciggs.Properly applied 302's,510's or 901's will really do the trick once you find the right liquid and technique.

[DannyBoyfromWashington]

Ok, sorry to beat this to death but after exhaustive research I managed to track down the patent # for the Iolite and here is what followed,...

information taken from http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090044818

[0007]In recent years, in place of or in addition to tobacco, non-combustion type smoking articles have been developed for enjoying flavor and taste of tobacco and for enjoying aerosol without combusting tobacco leaves. These non-combustion type smoking articles comprise a heat source which is a heat-generating member mounted on the tip and an aerosol-generating section including an aerosol-generating material formed of an appropriate substrate on which a flavoring component is carried. The heat source is physically separated from the aerosol-generating section. In the smoking articles of this type, ""the heat source is combusted"", and the heat of combustion heats the aerosol-generating member without combustion to generate an aerosol containing the flavoring component. Smokers inhale the aerosol to enjoy the flavor. As the heat source, a carbonaceous heat source is exclusively used.

United States Patent 3784353 ( this is the patent # for the "non combustion" heating element in the Iolite herbal vaporizer)

for full breakdown of the device please go to :

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=3784353.PN.&OS=PN/3784353&RS=PN/3784353

And the short of it? Though very brief there is indeed a combustion taking place to start the reaction and this means that if used in a smoking ban area the police would have grounds for confiscating the device and enforcing legal action persuant to local smoking ban violations. But do not lose hope, this action would only take place if someone put up a big stink after seeing you using it and if the local police knew enough about the device. Just don't want ya to get in trouble on a technicality if you use the Iolite in a smoking ban area. now as to your main question about other vaporisers to use at home, some of them may work well with some experimentation (like using cotton in the herb chamber to more evenly distribute the e-juice) and I would "assume"(dangerous teritory again)that you would want a temperature around 300-350 degrees farenheit since this is the temperature range that niccotine changes from liquid to gaseous form. hope this helps.

Edited November 30, 2009 by DannyBoyfromWashington

[nurse3766]

hi all

i started using my iolite. its great. i still dont have any PG to cut my e juice with and VG makes me sick, so i tried shisha (whatever its called) molasses with tobacco in it OMG it was soooooo good. powerful and sweet and super satisfying mmm mmm good. so then i tried pipe tobacco mmmm (organic with no additives)black raspberry flavor mmmm nice and smooth and fruity and chocolaty. i know some ppl here are anti tobacco... i would rather try my ejuice but cant atm. tobacco in the iolite tastes like chocholate its very pleasant and the vapor is warm. still no smoke just vapor. so not quite as healthy as ejuice but it has about 4200 fewer toxins than a cigarette also the iolite cuts tar by 95-98%.

i dont believe tobacco is the enemy so much as combustion is. burning materials change their chemical componds and many ...become toxic. if you look into a cigarettes ingredents, there arent that many yet when they burn they make 4200 toxic fumes.

oh and about my iolite i suppose somewhere inside the device is combustion to make the heat but the material inside the chamber never combusts

i am direct dripping on my ecig and got 3 more attys in the mail today. ive had the same 1/2 pack of cigs all week. i find if im really craving one i just light it and the taste is so bad i put it out and get my 801 right now my favorite flavor is pralines and cream its fabulous

[nurse3766]

hi all

i started using my iolite. its great. i still dont have any PG to cut my e juice with and VG makes me sick, so i tried shisha (whatever its called) molasses with tobacco in it OMG it was soooooo good. powerful and sweet and super satisfying mmm mmm good. so then i tried pipe tobacco mmmm (organic with no additives)black raspberry flavor mmmm nice and smooth and fruity and chocolaty. i know some ppl here are anti tobacco... i would rather try my ejuice but cant atm. tobacco in the iolite tastes like chocholate its very pleasant and the vapor is warm. still no smoke just vapor. so not quite as healthy as ejuice but it has about 4200 fewer toxins than a cigarette also the iolite cuts tar by 95-98%.

i dont believe tobacco is the enemy so much as combustion is. burning materials change their chemical componds and many ...become toxic. if you look into a cigarettes ingredents, there arent that many yet when they burn they make 4200 toxic fumes.

oh and about my iolite i suppose somewhere inside the device is combustion to make the heat but the material inside the chamber never combusts

i am direct dripping on my ecig and got 3 more attys in the mail today. ive had the same 1/2 pack of cigs all week. i find if im really craving one i just light it and the taste is so bad i put it out and get my 801 right now my favorite flavor is pralines and cream its fabulous

also im not going to use it in public if i can help it... that thing costs too much money to have to cop confiscate it

[nurse3766]

I copied this from the iolite site

The iolite Vaporizer is powered by butane gas, it fills with a minimal amount and holds a charge which allows for continuous vaporization for up to 2 hours.

The iolite Vaporizer contains a patented flameless gas catalytic heater & thermostat.

iolite Vaporizer Temperature Controller

With a thermostatically controlled bi-metal regulator, the iolite Vaporizer is able to maintain 374° F / 190° C + - 5°. The iolite Vaporizer utilizes a similar temperature regulator as the Volcano Vaporizer Classic.

iolite Vaporizer Healthy and Completely Inert

The catalytic conversion happens in an isolated chamber within the iolite Vaporizer so that butane can heat the unit but as it’s used it expels the butane as harmless water vapor through the escape ports located on the port of the unit.

Since the catalytic conversion on the iolite Vaporizer renders the butane completely inert as well as completely separating the reaction, there are no risks to your health.

[DannyBoyfromWashington]

Glad it is working good for you and I am sory if I somehow gave the impression that it would combust the material in the vapor chamber. I must try harder to be clear in my posts

[nurse3766]

Glad it is working good for you and I am sory if I somehow gave the impression that it would combust the material in the vapor chamber. I must try harder to be clear in my posts

Your fine i just wanted to be clear about it, so nobody would be confused as to if this thing burns stuff or not. honestly i really like it. once i can try ejuice it in ill be able to really tell how its going to work for me.

btw i should have my propylene glycol tomorrow so i will try it with my e juice and update you on it. the reason i started this post was to find out about other vaporizers... ive heard volcano is the best and works for liquids; however, that thing is 500$

im having my 1st morning vape and i have flooded my atty argh..... be great to drop juice in a machine that didnt require precision while im still 1/2 asleep

[ddavelarsen]

be great to drop juice in a machine that didnt require precision while im still 1/2 asleep

Yes, the fine motor skills kind of escape me for the first couple hours too.

This thread has been very interesting for me. I used a device similar to this for another purpose in my youth and found it very unsatisfactory. So it's nice to know the technology continues to improve. Good luck with your investigation! I look forward to future developments.