Vaping around Kids and Pets

[bcartervol98]

I noticed this question was on the CASAA Questionnaire and it got me thinking about the question. I smoked around my son in the sense that if we were outside, on the boat, on the deck at home, or in a vehicle with my window down going down the road if I am being completely honest. The only place we smoked in our home was our basement bathroom where I installed a high power vent fan to vent it out. Now that I vape, I pretty much vape anywhere I want.

My question is:

What precaution if any do you take with regard to vaping around kids and or pets?

I never would have smoked in the same inside room as my son nor would we sit in smoking sections in restaurants if they were inside. I do not follow the same guidelines with vaping and pretty much vape anywhere that someone doesn't ask me to stop (hasnt happened yet anywhere).

Just curious.

[spydre]

I vape inside my own home, and around my kids - well, the one that's still at home. So far, no issues. Same with in the car. And my pet is always with us at home whether we are inside or outside, so of course, it's around the dog.

[Hellecat]

The same as I did when I smoked. If I am in public and I see children about to walk by, I palm the CIG and blow the smoke or vapor away from them. Not the childrens choice to imbibe my habit.

As for pets, mine always stayed away when I smoked. The cats think the vapor is fun to bat at.

Edited August 21, 2013 by Hellecat

[IMEDICx90]

well i have never not vaped around my daughter. She doesnt complain about it although i always roll down the window when vaping in the car and blow it out. She is seldom right near me when im vaping but if she does come sit with me on the couch i just set it down (she doesnt stay long lol).

[DragonGunner]

I vape indoors and in my vehicle with my son present. I've read somewhere (but I could still be wrong or read the article inaccurately) that nicotine when hits the air almost immediately dissipates rendering anyone in or around it highly unlikely being able to ingest it. That being said I still make every attempt to blow the vapor away from my his face if he is sitting nearby. As far as the vapor (minus the nicotine) is concerned I personally do not think that it and of itself is harmful. It does bother me some that he see's me vaping and on some level might find it cool and eventually when he gets older might want to imitate me, as he does with everything else. His mother still smokes analogs and occasionally vapes. She never smokes inside the house and when she smokes in the vehicle the window is always open/cracked. I have told him that what both of us are doing is not wise and if I ever catch him that there will be repercussions. As far as vaping around my cat, I'm not bothered in the slightest as I feel since I dropped nearly 5k on his hip replacement I have earned the right.

[Bebop]

Yeah, I pretty much still consider my vaping to be a vice albeit an incredible alternative to smoking. The only reason I don't vape around kids is that I don't want to set an example to them. I know that's hypocritical but I just don't want to encourage them. That goes for any child of any age for me. I always have that dilemma when I see teens smoking but that's where parents or friends come in, not strangers.

As for the dog, he did not enjoy my smoking but he doesn't seem to mind vaping.

Yeah, I pretty much still consider my vaping to be a vice albeit an incredible alternative to smoking. The only reason I don't vape around kids is that I don't want to set an example to them. I know that's hypocritical but I just don't want to encourage them. That goes for any child of any age for me. I always have that dilemma when I see teens smoking but that's where parents or friends come in, not strangers.

As for the dog, he did not enjoy smoking but he doesn't seem to mind vaping.

Edited August 21, 2013 by Bebop12

[sonofzell]

Yeah, I pretty much still consider my vaping to be a vice albeit an incredible alternative to smoking. The only reason I don't vape around kids is that I don't want to set an example to them. I know that's hypocritical but I just don't want to encourage them. That goes for any child of any age for me. I always have that dilemma when I see teens smoking but that's where parents or friends come in, not strangers.

As for the dog, he did not enjoy smoking but he doesn't seem to mind vaping.

My thoughts exactly. My kids have never seen me vape (nor did they ever see me smoke, they just told me how bad I smelled). I'll vape proudly when in adult company, but the last thing I want to do is glorify the act to anyone impressionable.

[Uma]

I didn't like that particular question, because it didn't really allow for various ventilation and such. It was either.. wide open spaces or all totally closed up in the same oxygen mask type of question. Nahh, didn't do it for me at all. But that's how politics is, it is what it is.

Basically, if there's good ventilation, and space, I vape.

If there's not, I wait, or I get out the shotgun and make some well ventilated holes.

[jonnoh]

As was done unto me, I have done unto others. My extremely religious mother required me to attend every youth function at her church and they were mostly held in the basement lounge, smoke filled my the priest (anglican) and the various adults participating. Then whilst the adults were cleaning up and we were waiting for our various rides we kids could sneak our own cigs. Fortunately I've long since found Richard Dawkins et al. I was always exposed to other's smoke at school by teachers, at friend's houses at any community activity etc. So I never saw any reason to not continue the practice as it sure didn't hurt me any. I've never curbed smoking because of others children students bosses pets ever. Only have the draconian smoking laws in the USA slowed me down at all. Fortunately I decided to leave the US after the voters elected Dan Quayle VP. Now I live where I can smoke in bars restaurants anywhere except government buildings, and even there they have places where the workers smoke and welcome me to join them. So as far as vaping is concerned, I still do the same. But on a rather weird note, my cat Jazz, never was bothered by smoking, in fact he seemed rather interested in it. Vaping, on the other hand, he doesn't trust. He quickly backs up when he sees the vapour coming out of my mouth, Maybe it reminds him of a dragon or something, but when ever I grab my equipment, he keeps his distance. The other cats and dogs are totally oblivious. Oh yeah, to finish my rant, just when I find something that actually makes not smoking totally painless and works so well unlike the patch gum anti depressants etc. it looks like the government will continue to be draconian and try to take away something that actually works, and works so well. I have stopped spending my tourist money in Singapore because they outlawed ecigs and I informed the tourist ministry of that decision and I'm totally sure they don't give a damn!

[tapout]

i think its ok if u vape around kids and animals i vape around my wife and shes preg

[subnuclear]

I vape wherever i can get away with it!

On a side note i see so many people saying they only vape in well ventilated areas. I have found that non smokers absolutely love the smell of my vape liquids. I was in a heliport the other day vaping away in the back break room and one of the workers walked in and started looking around for who was eating pancakes and syrup! she was convinced someone had broken out a griddle and made some! i was laughing so hard and didn't let her know it was me vaping.

[karbee2]

After speaking to my daughters respiratory specialist, my husband and I were told that vaping poses little to no dangers to her even with her breathing issues. (she was born premature and her lungs are still a little weak a year latter) So yes we both vape around the children.

[Havamal]

When I smoked I made a point of never smoking around my family... I don't think my boys ever saw me smoking.

I don't vape around them either. As for the dogs, they hated smoke but certain flavors my retriever will run up and sniff the vapor... he seems to particularly like anything that has vanilla in it!

[iheartvape]

I vape in my house and car around my kids. I use to smoke around my kids but not in the house and not in the car unless it was a long road trip. Since I started vaping my kids love when I vape, they make a game out if guessing the flavor in regards to the smell. They also love the fact that I do not stink, they don't stink, and they don't have to worry about if Dad will keel over or anything anymore. If I am out in public, I try not to vape near other kids just so they don't think it's cool and want to vape themselves, and what not.

[Uma]

The Drexel study should relax anyone on the fence. Naturally, everything we do should always be in moderation, whether it be chewing bubble gum or drinking coffee. http://acsh.org/2013/08/new-study-finds-no-health-concerns-in-e-cig-vapor/

Also, the New Zealand study that took years to complete? It states the pg in vaporizers relieves respiratory symptoms in the young. Also, Asthma sufferers use the pg or is it VG? In their inhalers.

The New Zealand study used 1/3 eCigs with 16mg, 1/3 eCigs with zero mg placebo, against the patch. ( they don't say what mg the patch was, probably a 24 lol) and when combined, the eCigs still beat the Patch in helping smokers forget about lighting up. Just imagine what it would have been like if the eCigs all contained 18mg or some 16 and some 24 ... Yeh, I know, right.

Some people say that cats are allergic to pg or something, so I would be careful around pets, just like you are with all your other endeavors like pointsettia plants, onions, chocolate, ... You know the drill.

[thvapor]

I don't think it's bad for kids or animals, but it is presenting a lot of questions from your kids that you will need to be prepared for.. I still think vaping is not a cheap hobby or habitual event.. E liquids aren't cheap and you usually buy lots of flavors, than you got your attys and cartos, ect,ect

[bcartervol98]

I don't think it's bad for kids or animals, but it is presenting a lot of questions from your kids that you will need to be prepared for.. I still think vaping is not a cheap hobby or habitual event.. E liquids aren't cheap and you usually buy lots of flavors, than you got your attys and cartos, ect,ect

When your kid begs you to stop smoking, there are not a lot of questions they ask. My son is thankful every day that I and my wife both are approaching 6 months tobacco free. He understands this is a much much safer substitute and based on studies I have read and independent research I feel completely comfortable vaping around him.

It may not be "cheap" but its definitely cheaper than smoking. I am about $1200 to the good over the last 6 months all things considered. I kept track of every order in an email folder and did the math. My savings in my ticker are x2 plus some since my wife smoked more than I did and we both switched to vaping at the same time.

Edited October 14, 2013 by bcartervol98

[Uma]

Here is an old video, by Dr. Baron, that talks about vaping in front of your kids.

Part #1

Part #2

Father Jack on morals and addiction

Father Jack has quite a few videos about vaping and ethics and addiction, be sure to check out his channel.

[thvapor]

 

 

When your kid begs you to stop smoking, there are not a lot of questions they ask. My son is thankful every day that I and my wife both are approaching 6 months tobacco free. He understands this is a much much safer substitute and based on studies I have read and independent research I feel completely comfortable vaping around him.

 

It may not be "cheap" but its definitely cheaper than smoking. I am about $1200 to the good over the last 6 months all things considered. I kept track of every order in an email folder and did the math. My savings in my ticker are x2 plus some since my wife smoked more than I did and we both switched to vaping at the same time.

What I'm saying is if they wish to pursue "vaping", they need to understand its not cheap and is only a alternative to smoking..

[bcartervol98]

What I'm saying is if they wish to pursue "vaping", they need to understand its not cheap and is only a alternative to smoking..

My son is 8 that I am referring to, and all he knows is Mom and Dad no longer smoke cigarettes. I know it is a while away, but I do not think he will ever want to do either. I never thought about "pursuing vaping" in the context of my response. I get what you are saying now.

IN the big picture, and I may be opening a can of worms here, but I am not a believer in hiding things from your kids. I think people that sneak off to take a drink or have a smoke, or refuse to discuss sex and sexuality, or do not let their kids be exposed to things they see as unsavory are missing valuable teaching opportunities. I think people overall are too fast to try and protect their kids as opposed to educating them. Maybe this is coming from someone that leans somewhat liberal in my social beliefs and lives smack in the middle of the Bible belt, but I see it every day where I live. People pull their kids from public school and home-school so they can not be exposed to science, evolution, and such. Sheltered from the liberal teachings of public school. They will not take their kids places where there will be drinking or smoking, but go home and after the kids go to bed pour a drink and step out back to have a smoke and are naive enough to think their kids do not know. In my opinion they are saying "This is what adults do, and you cant do it until you are a certain age" as opposed to answering questions about why people do things, say things, drink, smoke, vape.....whatever the case may be. I personally, in my 43 years, have seen FAR more sheltered kids go nuts when they turn 18 and flunk out of college because they have not been socially prepared.

For example there is a school in Memphis called ECS (Evangelical Christian School) and it is one of the more strict schools I have ever seen or heard of. You are required to follow the rules 365 days a year both in school and out. If one of your teachers or school personnel see you smoking, drinking, using profanity, or anything else against school rules you are in trouble at school for it just as if it happened there even if in the middle of summer break. Parents get a warm fuzzy feeling knowing this. At UT there is a tradition called the "ECS Orientation Breakfast" which is shotgunning a 12 pack of beer the morning after your parents drop you off to start college. Sheltered kids like this sort of see turning 18 as a license to do whatever you want, like the other adults in my experience. Kids that grew up around drinking, smoking, and things like profanity and "adult settings" tend to be more prepared for the social challenges that go with growing into a young adult, as long as their parents took the opportunity to talk to them and discuss it with them.

And please no one on here take what I said as personal as it is just my overall opinion.

[Grant951]

I can speak from experience on this. I am almost 20. My parents sheltered me like crazy. I went to a private school until 5th grade, and was forced to go to church every Sunday. Drugs, drinking, sex, etc were never discussed other than "don't do them!" I started smoking when I was 12, partially because I'd always been fascinated by it (kind of a forbidden fruit type thing) and because it was rebellious. Shortly after I started experimenting with other things. When I turned 18, I moved out and went crazy. Almost literally, lol. Got into quite a bit of legal trouble, and I'm now living at home again with a legitimate job this time and saving to move back out. I absolutely love my job and know if I get too out of hand again I will likely lose it. Anyways, the point is, I believe the best thing is, exposure. If I had been exposed to all these things I know for a fact I wouldn't be in the trouble I am in now, and wouldn't have done nearly as much experimenting. Just my two cents.

[thvapor]

My son is 8 that I am referring to, and all he knows is Mom and Dad no longer smoke cigarettes. I know it is a while away, but I do not think he will ever want to do either. I never thought about "pursuing vaping" in the context of my response. I get what you are saying now. IN the big picture, and I may be opening a can of worms here, but I am not a believer in hiding things from your kids. I think people that sneak off to take a drink or have a smoke, or refuse to discuss sex and sexuality, or do not let their kids be exposed to things they see as unsavory are missing valuable teaching opportunities. I think people overall are too fast to try and protect their kids as opposed to educating them. Maybe this is coming from someone that leans somewhat liberal in my social beliefs and lives smack in the middle of the Bible belt, but I see it every day where I live. People pull their kids from public school and home-school so they can not be exposed to science, evolution, and such. Sheltered from the liberal teachings of public school. They will not take their kids places where there will be drinking or smoking, but go home and after the kids go to bed pour a drink and step out back to have a smoke and are naive enough to think their kids do not know. In my opinion they are saying "This is what adults do, and you cant do it until you are a certain age" as opposed to answering questions about why people do things, say things, drink, smoke, vape.....whatever the case may be. I personally, in my 43 years, have seen FAR more sheltered kids go nuts when they turn 18 and flunk out of college because they have not been socially prepared. For example there is a school in Memphis called ECS (Evangelical Christian School) and it is one of the more strict schools I have ever seen or heard of. You are required to follow the rules 365 days a year both in school and out. If one of your teachers or school personnel see you smoking, drinking, using profanity, or anything else against school rules you are in trouble at school for it just as if it happened there even if in the middle of summer break. Parents get a warm fuzzy feeling knowing this. At UT there is a tradition called the "ECS Orientation Breakfast" which is shotgunning a 12 pack of beer the morning after your parents drop you off to start college. Sheltered kids like this sort of see turning 18 as a license to do whatever you want, like the other adults in my experience. Kids that grew up around drinking, smoking, and things like profanity and "adult settings" tend to be more prepared for the social challenges that go with growing into a young adult, as long as their parents took the opportunity to talk to them and discuss it with them. And please no one on here take what I said as personal as it is just my overall opinion.

I totally agree and I do believe a majority of sheltered kids do tend to have a rough adult life because they have no knowledge of the bad things.. not saying drinking is bad per say, but could possibly lead to events that have a bad outcome.. I will let my kid make that decision.. If my son or daughter wants to stay inside and draw or play music, I don't think I need to push the kid to be socially accepted.. Some of the greatest musicians were self taught. I will make it there decision on which route they would like to take.. I think as long as your kids can be open and communicate with you, a great friendship will begin to unfold. Unfortunately this day of age , all you see teens doing is behind a computer or video game only talking to online people .. I don't see the social awareness like it was when I was growing up.. Both mom and dad are far too busy to take time and talk to there kids.. the kids now rely on the internet for there answers.. Sad to see that's how society is becoming in my opinion at least.. I shouldnt just say kids, I drive on the highway and all I see is people on there phones... Time will tell how society unfolds in the future. Edited October 15, 2013 by thvapor

[thvapor]

I can speak from experience on this. I am almost 20. My parents sheltered me like crazy. I went to a private school until 5th grade, and was forced to go to church every Sunday. Drugs, drinking, sex, etc were never discussed other than "don't do them!" I started smoking when I was 12, partially because I'd always been fascinated by it (kind of a forbidden fruit type thing) and because it was rebellious. Shortly after I started experimenting with other things. When I turned 18, I moved out and went crazy. Almost literally, lol. Got into quite a bit of legal trouble, and I'm now living at home again with a legitimate job this time and saving to move back out. I absolutely love my job and know if I get too out of hand again I will likely lose it. Anyways, the point is, I believe the best thing is, exposure. If I had been exposed to all these things I know for a fact I wouldn't be in the trouble I am in now, and wouldn't have done nearly as much experimenting. Just my two cents.

I believe you need to experience those bad things to know the good things in life..

[Grant951]

Agreed. I don't regret any of the choices I've made. I went through some pretty scary stuff and I feel like I can take on anything now. It's great.

[spydre]

When your kid begs you to stop smoking, there are not a lot of questions they ask. My son is thankful every day that I and my wife both are approaching 6 months tobacco free. He understands this is a much much safer substitute and based on studies I have read and independent research I feel completely comfortable vaping around him.

It may not be "cheap" but its definitely cheaper than smoking. I am about $1200 to the good over the last 6 months all things considered. I kept track of every order in an email folder and did the math. My savings in my ticker are x2 plus some since my wife smoked more than I did and we both switched to vaping at the same time.

I can't tell you how many years my kids were begging us to quit smoking. And we would try.....and fail. Time after time. I mean, at their age now, they get that this isn't smoking, etc. I know they won't pick up a cigarette. I was already smoking by their age, and they were still "quit smoking" until we did in July. There are a variety of reasons why I know, at least for now, that they won't, but the fact is, both of them were full of the long term consequences of smoking, and the oldest had started in on the second hand effects of it - to the point where we stopped smoking in the car unless we were going to be in the car longer than 20 minutes or more (we used to drive over into St. Louis a lot on the weekends - before college started for hubby and son).

As far as sheltering....well, I mean, when we would run out to pick up cigarettes, hubby wouldn't even tell them that was where we were going, even though it was obvious when we got back. Same with now, he doesn't want us talking about going to a vape shop in front of them (and one is almost 19 and a freshman in college), much less buying or ordering juice. But yet other things, hubby wasn't so worried about.

EDIT: I do have to say, to a couple of the above posters - luckily my mother was agnostic, so I was never forced into church or Sunday school, but hubby was, and Catholic education through 11th grade. So religion was never really part of our lives. The boys went to a baptist pre-school, but religion wasn't taught except in certain circumstances (Christmas, Easter), and that's only because the only secular pre-school (the public pre-school) only took at risk students, which certainly didn't include my oldest son. We never influenced their opinions either way....we don't think (okay, we made fun of the Catholic religion, I'm sorry, but hubby has pretty much hated Catholicism forever). Hubby and I are both atheists now, and the kids reached the same conclusion on their own.

Brian, as far as being ahead on money because of vaping - if you don't count what we've spent on equipment, I still don't know if we are ahead or not. We smoked SUPER CHEAP cigarettes - just over $20 a carton (as you can see from my sig tag), so sometimes we come out ahead on juice (although hubby goes through 618 like there's no tomorrow, but seeing as how a 50 ml bottle of that, when bought at Better Vapes, is in line with how much MOST online vendors charge for 30 ml, and that's what he vapes the most of, his costs are low. But especially the last month, mine have been higher, trying to find flavors that I now find vapable (although some of my flavors are coming back to me finally, just not in the same priority as before), and then I had what, five flavors run out on me at the same time. One flavor I had decided I probably wouldn't order again, it was a sample, and it tasted good just for one night, but then I have two more flavors that I thought (hoped) I could wait until next month to order. Well, since one of them, the one night I tasted it really, really well, at it was awesome, the next day, not so much, I haven't vaped much of it. But the other flavor, it came back to me, and I'm almost out of it now, I have about 2 mls left (and that's what's in the Davide). So, with just ordering three flavors, I spent about 2 weeks worth of analog money on just what I would have smoked.....so I don't know if I can afford to order this other one unless I have money left over from my replacement for the Sigelei.

Edited October 19, 2013 by spydre