Ny Lawmakers Advance Bill

[juliery]

Russ Sciandra is the person that the politicians are getting their information from. Educate the person that politicians are getting their information from. Considering vaping is not cancerous nor contains tobacco he has no professional opinion. Here is his contact info:

Russ.sciandra@cancer.org

5184495438 x 12

All of you should be emailing him directly on the benefits of vaping... He works for the American Cancer Society and the Free Tobacco Organization... Neither has anything to do with us free, loving' vapers...

Wouldn't even waste my time....this has nothing to do with lawmakers NOT knowing....this is an agenda that is for the benefit of tobacco and pharma industries and they have HUGE clout. This has nothing to do with safety or health or cancer. If it did they would have banned tobacco products, and we all know that hasn't and won't happen.

[YankeeJack]

Wouldn't even waste my time....this has nothing to do with lawmakers NOT knowing....this is an agenda that is for the benefit of tobacco and pharma industries and they have HUGE clout. This has nothing to do with safety or health or cancer. If it did they would have banned tobacco products, and we all know that hasn't and won't happen.

But at least protect our interests... This is a guy who is saying ban ecigs, yet he has no idea on how many people this has helped in his own cause. If you read any article about the ban, you will notice that this man's name is coming up. Let him know and then maybe he will see the light.

[Kingbtheone]

emailed for the fun of it

[juliery]

But at least protect our interests... This is a guy who is saying ban ecigs, yet he has no idea on how many people this has helped in his own cause. If you read any article about the ban, you will notice that this man's name is coming up. Let him know and then maybe he will see the light.

That is what I mean, I don't think he is lacking info. Doesn't it seems just a tad ridiculous that he and NO ONE on his staff has come across ANY of the info that all the rest of us can find in two seconds. He is just latching onto the fact that it hasn't been studied. So easy to say ban it till it is. And no matter what any of us say, he can still come back with that it hasn't really been studied, and NO ONE can say with certainty what is in all the products since there is no kind of regulation. I mean, he can be reading all these messages and boards and whatever limited studies have been done. I don't think it has anything to do with a lack of knowledge.....with ANY of these people.

[miatafrank]

QUOTED FROM THE ARTICLE:

"So I did some research," said Assemblywoman Linda Rosenthal, a Manhattan Democrat and 20-year smoker who quit more than a dozen years ago. "I found what is in the e-cigarettes is a mystery."

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So a judge can decide that the FDA doesn't need to extensively test e-cigarettes to control them as drug delivery devices, and regulate them as a tobacco products. Who the hell are these lawmakers that they think they can go into some back room somewhere and decide to go against the ruling of a judge. That's the way I see it. These idiots didn't like the ruling that the judge set down, so they think they can do whatever the hell they want because they have some power in their own state. Why doesn't the ruling of a federal judge also prevent state and local governments from asserting the same kind of authority that it already said that the FDA didn't have?

[Kragax]

I have written senators and their ilk many times now. It all boils down to the money. They tried to tax cigarette sale on the indian resevations and the indians told them to shove it, they would hold back any revenues to the state from the casinos. Now this state is in severe money trouble so they want you to buy smokes at almost 10.00 a pack. I live 5 miles from the state line so Ill get a post office box there and screw em. New York sucks. I came here for the work and when I retire in four years Im gone.

[juliery]

I don't think it will matter much where you go......every state is pretty much in the same boat. All of them are hurting as far as revenue and dreaming up any way to make money. Hell, did you see that BS in Hawaii??? Someone came up with the brilliant idea of making the birth records of Obama available to citizens for the fee of $100....to shut up birthers and to bring in some extra revenue. Of course if that will ever happen, who knows, because like everywhere else they have privacy laws where only a close relative can get a birth certificate for a person. So that would have to be set aside just for this one person. They said that within days of his birth the announcement was in the local paper, as they used to regularly do back then with all babies.

No surprise that this is going on.....precisely why I was ambivalent about starting vaping. In fact the first time we saw it on the news it was the VERY first thing I said to my husband. I knew this would happen, there is just too much money in it, and therefore loss to the tobacco and pharma giants. They are too greedy to share revenue. AND I found several articles about the interests of the American Cancer Society.....if there was a cure or prevention for cancer in general, they are gone, as are many other organizations. Pharmas and all these "institutions" only exist as long as people are sick, keep getting sick, and remain sick. Of course they would have no problem with people being sick and being okay as long as they are providing the avenue/drug for that. It all sucks. Obviously the tobacco companies want us to keep using their products. It is all a load of BS, and it has nothing to do with anyone being healthy or keeping us safe or any of that other nonsense. It is ALL about money and power. Land of the free....yeah, free to make decisions within what they decide to allow. They can lie, and misrepresent facts left and right to further their agenda and gain public support from people who are actually silly enough to not look further, not research things for themselves. Then even if they left it up to the people, people are voting without knowledge or factual information. The sad thing is that usually people don't get interested and really start paying attention to how screwed up the system is until there is some issue they start caring about. Until then a great many people vote based on little to no information, or just on personality or some goofy message that SOUNDS good, but is really just fluff. And then people wonder why there is so much outcry, how the tea party has come to be, etc. People are sick of all of it. And you gotta ask yourself, if they would lie about something we know is INFINITELY safer than something else that is TOTALLY legal, out of sheer greed, favors owed, and personal agenda.....then how many other things are we lied to about? Or is there EVER any truth, about anything? I just find myself becoming more and more cynical the older I get and the more I see. Depressing.

[DerStadtschutz]

QUOTED FROM THE ARTICLE:

"So I did some research," said Assemblywoman Linda Rosenthal, a Manhattan Democrat and 20-year smoker who quit more than a dozen years ago. "I found what is in the e-cigarettes is a mystery."

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So a judge can decide that the FDA doesn't need to extensively test e-cigarettes to control them as drug delivery devices, and regulate them as a tobacco products. Who the hell are these lawmakers that they think they can go into some back room somewhere and decide to go against the ruling of a judge. That's the way I see it. These idiots didn't like the ruling that the judge set down, so they think they can do whatever the hell they want because they have some power in their own state. Why doesn't the ruling of a federal judge also prevent state and local governments from asserting the same kind of authority that it already said that the FDA didn't have?

Well, this can be kind of good and bad, but it's been that way for a long time. In California, Where medical marijuana has been legalized, they are allowed to carry it around as long as they have a card, and businesses can sell it, as long as they have a certain license or whatever it is. Now, even though it's perfectly legal in California, DEA agents can and do still raid the dispensaries(that's what the pot shops are called) and pretty much do whatever they want because the DEA is a federal organization, and marijuana is still federally illegal.

States are allowed to make their own laws. They can be more lenient or more strict than the federal ones, so every state has different laws. For instance, I don't know if there's a federal law about this or not, but in Pennsylvania, you're supposed to wear your seatbelt like everywhere else, and you can get fined for not wearing it... However, you cannot get pulled over just for not wearing your seatbelt. You have to be in violation of some other traffic law to get pulled over for the cop to find that you have not been wearing your seatbelt. Only then can you get fined for it. In New York, at least, you can get pulled over simply for not wearing your seatbelt. My dad found that out the hard way when he went there on vacation. The fact that states can make their own laws is good if the state laws are more lenient than the federal government, but it also sucks when they're not.

PA also has special laws dealing with alcohol. You can't buy any alcohol whatsoever at anything other than a bar, beer distributor, or liquor store. Liquor stores are ONLY state run. You can't just get a liquor license and sell it wherever you want. You have to run a "state store," as they're sometimes called, or you have to run a restaurant or bar of some kind. You can't buy 6-packs from a beer distributor. For that, you have to go to a bar. And you can only buy so many 6-packs from a bar, never a case. If you want a case of beer, you have to go to the beer distributor.

Also, apparently you have to wear a seatbelt in a car, but if you're riding a motorcycle, you're not required to wear a helmet anymore here. I don't know if this is the way it is all over the country, but it's that way at least in PA.

[juliery]

Here they have seatbelt checkpoints, or safety checkpoints, set up all different places, whenever they want and you will be directed off the road and issued a ticket for not having it on when approaching the checkpoint. Here they CAN pull you over for anything they want, BUT usually you are not pulled over for only that reason. That is just usually an extra violation on top of something else, not the main violation. So it isn't that they can't pull you over for it here, it is more that they just usually don't pull you over for just that. That also varies though from town to town. Some of the towns all over the Chicagoland area have ticket quotas, so near the end of the month, when officers who haven't yet issued enough citations, they will pull you over for the tiniest thing, including not wearing your seatbelt. It just really depends on the municipality and for that matter the particular cop. Like there is no quota here, but the town directly west and a bit north, they do have one and that town is KNOWN for being a place you DO NOT want to speed or not be wearing your seatbelt, etc.

There is no helmet law here on motorcycles either. Not for drivers or passengers, regardless of age. I found this "Apparently what happened was that in 1968, Illinois put in a helmet law like all the other states (except California), but when the statute was challenged in court, the Illinois Supreme Court ruled the law an abuse of the police power, and therefore void because it was unconstitutional. "

But I guess it is NOT unconstitutional to have a seatbelt law in automobiles. SO stupid. I wear my seatbelt all the time, but I do think it is totally ridiculous that I am legally required to do so. It should be entirely up to me, as an adult, whether I want to wear a seatbelt or not. All these sorts of laws are totally idiotic. You need certain laws because they involve OTHER people....such as speed limit laws, but things like seatbelt laws or helmet laws are ridiculous. THINK of the money that could be saved by NOT wasting time on all this needless nonsense.

Regarding the e cig, I wouldn't even care if I couldn't use it in public places, even though I do NOT believe it infringes on anyone else. I have read accounts where SUPPOSEDLY some non-vaper had some violent allergic reaction when being near exhaled vapor. I don't believe medical attention was required. So big deal, if I just didn't like what you are doing, I could start coughing and gasping for air and have a "reaction" to your expelled vapor too. I could claim it bothered my throat and nose and whatever else. Doesn't mean it is true. I would think that if ANYONE had that kind of reaction to a chemical that is already in most day to day environments, they must have a hell of a time just cleaning a toilet or bathtub, for that matter using a baby wipe since there is PG in those too. BUT if until it is STUDIED they want to apply the smoking laws to vaping, that really wouldn't bother me. I would think it was stupid, BUT that is better than banning it. But of course, again, it has nothing to do with safety. AND IF e cigs are banned, then tobacco should be banned at the same time. How on earth ANYONE could justify banning e cigs, BUT NOT banning cigarettes at the same time, WHILE keeping a straight face, and CLAIMING an e cig ban has ANYTHING to do with a concern over health and/or safety just boggles my mind. It is so beyond idiotic it defies ANY kind of logic whatsoever. BUT of course this has nothing to do with logic, nor health or safety. It is ALL about money. Disgusting.