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This is a copy of an email I received today from CASAA. A lot of people are working overtime for our vaping rights! : CASAA members, Here is a copy of the CASAA follow-up letter sent to all of the representatives on the Utah House Business and Labor Committee. Elaine Keller and Kristin Noll-Marsh drafted this letter yesterday and sent it out last night. Personally, I think that the letter is brilliant. As many of you may or may not know, Rep. Ray (the sponsor of HB 170) has vowed to attempt to reintroduce this bill. If you would like to write a letter or make a phone call, go to the CASAA UT Call to Action page for talking points and contact information. It is also worth noting that, unlike many other states, the UT legislators have requested that we send correspondence via e-mail. I also want to take this opportunity to thank Jacinda Ross, Aaron Frazier, Julie Woessner, Treece Clewell, Greg Conley, Elaine Keller and Kristin Noll-Marsh for all of their hard work in Utah. But, we are not out of the woods yet as long as Rep. Ray is still on the war path. Keep up the good work everyone. Sincerely, Ron Ward CASAA Director Dear Representative: The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association (CASAA) sincerely thanks you for voting AGAINST H.B. 170 - Tobacco and Nicotine Product Amendments. We request that the members who voted FOR the proposal reconsider their opinion about smoke-free products, based on correcting the confusion introduced during the February 25 public testimony. Many of those who testified about health risks were referring to the effects of cigarettes and smoking. However, H.B. 170 concerned smoke-free products that many smokers have been able to use as a replacement for smoking. If smokers who cannot or will not quit were provided with truthful information-that switching to a smoke-free product could reduce their risks of smoking-related disease by up to 99%--many, many lives could be saved. The 2009 Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act directed the FDA to establish requirements for identifying "reduced exposure" and "modified risk" tobacco products. Any tobacco product that is not combusted reduces exposure to the tar, carbon monoxide, particulates, and thousands of chemicals found in smoke. "Modified risk" products will need to demonstrate that they reduce harm or the risk of tobacco-related disease. Amy Sands testified: "These are cancer-causing, toxic products. There's no doubt - all sorts of scientific research to prove that smokeless tobacco products like these addict and they kill." Ms. Sands may be confused by older epidemiological studies on products that delivered higher quantities of harmful substances than current versions of these products. Nevertheless, even those earlier products eliminated the lung disease that is triggered by inhaling smoke. They also carried lower risks of cardiovascular disease and cancer than smoking. While there is zero scientific evidence that modern smokeless tobacco products cause cancer or kill the user in any other manner, there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Snus, a moist powder tobacco product, was developed in Sweden for the express purpose of reducing the health risks faced by smokers. Snus is processed to deliver lower concentrations of Tobacco-specific Nitrosamines (TSNAs) than traditional smokeless tobacco products. Foulds, Ranstrom, Burke, and Fagerstrom reviewed the evidence on the effects of snus on smoking and health in Sweden. They concluded, "It is dependence forming, but does not appear to cause cancer or respiratory diseases." Foulds, et al. Effect of smokeless tobacco (snus) on smoking and public health in Sweden. Tobacco Control 2003;12:349-359. http://www.tobaccoprogram.org/pdf/TC12349.pdf Lee and Hamling reviewed 89 studies on cancer risk of smokeless tobacco and concluded, "Risk from modern products is much less than for smoking." Lee, et al. Systematic review of the relation between smokeless tobacco and cancer in Europe and North America. BMC Medicine 2009, 7:36. http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/7/36 Peter Lee's most recent review of the evidence concludes: "Using snus is clearly much safer than smoking. While smoking substantially increases the risk of cancer and cardiovascular diseases, any increase from snus use is undemonstrated, and if it exists is probably about 1% of that from smoking." Lee, PN. Summary of the epidemiological evidence relating snus to health. Regul Toxicol Pharmacol. 2010 Dec 14. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21163315 Electronic cigarettes are relatively new products; however, they have been available since 2003. There have been no deaths and no reports of any serious adverse events associated with electronic cigarettes anywhere in the world. Surveys show that over 90% of users report that their health has improved. Heavner, et al. Electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes) as potential tobacco harm reduction products: Results of an online survey of ecigarette users. Tobacco Harm Reduction 2010 Yearbook. http://tobaccoharmreduction.org/wpapers/011v1.pdf The dissolvable tobacco products are even newer, so there is no published research on product safety. However, given the fact that the products are not smoked and that they contain levels of carcinogens on par with pharmaceutical nicotine products, it is most likely that their safety profile will be similar that of snus and electronic cigarettes. Representative Ray stated, "We know that one third of kids who start using these are going to die at some point in their life from the use of tobacco." This statistic refers to smoking, not to the use of modern smokeless tobacco products. Source: CDC, "Projected Smoking-Related Deaths Among Youth - United States," MMWR, 45(44), November 8, 1996. Utah PTA Health Commissioner Liz Zentner commented about electronic cigarettes, "The problem is that a lethal dose of nicotine for children is 10 mg and one of those cartridges contains 500 to over 1000 mg." This is false. Cartridges may contain nicotine that has been purified (pharmaceutical grade), but the content is not "pure nicotine." A cartridge contains no more than one gram (1000 mg) of a liquid solution of water, propylene glycol and/or vegetable glycerin, flavoring, and (optionally) nicotine. The "high dose" cartridges typically contain less than 2% of actual nicotine (20 mg) and the solution is soaked into an absorbent material, which would make it nearly impossible for a child to "drink" from the cartridge. More than one speaker mentioned accidental poisoning of children by tobacco products. Given the fact that over 70% of tobacco product poisonings are caused by eating cigarettes, butts, and cigars, it does not appear that banning flavored smokeless tobaccos would have solved the already existing issue of accidental ingestion. Not only would HB 170 have NOT solved that problem, it would have practically ensured that many children would remain exposed to second-hand smoke as well as to cigarettes, butts, and cigars, because smoking relatives would have been denied access to a variety of acceptable smoke-free alternative. Additionally, 1,307 poisonings were caused by pharmaceutical nicotine products, yet there is no effort to ban the sale of the Mint, Fresh Mint, Cinnamon Surge, Cherry, White Ice, and Fruit Chill flavors of Nicorette products. The Nicorette lozenges look, smell, and taste much more like candy than the flavored dissolvable tobacco orbs. http://www.aapcc.org/dnn/Portals/0/correctedannualreport.pdf CASAA shares the concern for the safety of children. Parents should always keep any product that contains nicotine-including FDA-approved products such as patches, lozenges, and gum-out of the reach of pets and children. CASAA strongly supports prohibiting the sale of these adult products to underage youth and encourages regulating packaging and advertising to reduce potential accidents. There is no evidence that adding flavorings to tobacco products induces children to start smoking. Conrad, Flay, and Hill reviewed 27 studies regarding onset of cigarette smoking. Major factors that govern initiation of smoking include low socioeconomic states, peer and school bonding, parental example, and peer smoking approval. Conrad, et al. "Why children start smoking cigarettes: predictors of onset. " Br J Addict. 1992 Dec;87(12):1711-24. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1490085 There is also no evidence that kids tend to start with smokeless tobacco products and "graduate" to smoking. If smoke-free products are a gateway, the gate swings away from smoking. Ranstrom and Foulds found, "Among men who used snus as a single aid, 66% succeeded in quitting completely, as compared with 47% of those using nicotine gum (OR 2.2, 95% CI 1.3 to 3.7) or 32% for those using the nicotine patch (OR 4.2, 95% CI 2.1 to 8.6). Women using snus as an aid were also significantly more likely to quit smoking successfully than those using nicotine patches or gum." Ramström, et al. "Role of snus in initiation and cessation of tobacco smoking in Sweden." Tobacco Control 15:210-214. http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/15/3/210.abstract The same thing is true of electronic cigarettes. Smokers are switching to electronic cigarettes, not vice versa. Success rates for achieving complete abstinence from smoking range as high as 80%. Those users who enjoy pleasant flavors soon lose their taste for smoking and have no urges to smoke. Claims that adult smokers would not want these flavors are based on mistaken assumption and not actual research. Surveys have shown that thousands of middle-aged users find the non-tobacco flavors to be a key factor for successfully substituting electronic cigarettes for smoking. Recent studies show that smoking quit rates have stalled and start rates are again increasing in youth. Many of these tobacco users may choose smokeless products over smoking if given accurate information about the relative risks. If HB 170 had succeeded in removing or banning low-risk smokeless tobacco products, it would have forced new and existing users to purchase only the most hazardous products available on the market. Given the enormous health risks of smoking, is it ethical to create barriers to products that carry very low disease risks and are highly acceptable replacements for smoking? If you have any questions or concerns about smokeless alternatives please do not hesitate to contact us. We would be happy to provide you with additional scientific research reports which support the urgent need to not only keep these smokeless products available to adult tobacco users, but to also design tobacco regulation to educate and encourage smokers to switch to reduced harm alternatives. Sincerely, Yolanda Villa, Esq. CASAA Legal Director 585-267-5458 yvilla@gmail.com Theresa A. Whitt, MD CASAA Medical Director 325-370-9868 theresa.whitt@yahoo.com

I might be wrong, but this doesn't look like a reputable vendor. You might do better going to a well known vendor for you e-cig supplies.

Today I vaped my first DIY juice, Vanilla Butternut Waffle. If I do say so myself, it was pretty good. I do need to tweak it a little, but I only made a small batch. I made it last Thursday and I let it steep for a few days. I was hoping to let it steep a week, but I just couldn't wait! I defiantly caught the DIY Bug!

Make sure you shake up the liquid really good before using it.

This is AWESOME news!!!!!

You will be changing your user name real soon. Check out the Viva on the Liberty Flights web site. It's the same as the eGo 650 mah, but a lot less. Click on the 20% discount button on the top left hand side of the home site. Now that you have found this forum, your ecig will be your best friend and the analogs will be going down the toilet.

I'm vaping around 6ml a day. Some days it might be a little more. When I am home and I don't have a lot to do, I vape more. When I get some new juices, I seem to vape more. If I could find a way to hold my ego in my mouth and press the button without using my hands, I would vape even more than 6ml. I can not tell a lie, I just love to vape! I don't think nic addiction has anything to do with it. I have a few zero juices and I love them just as much as my 16mg juices.

Tags, you seem to have a black cloud hanging over you. Whats up with that!!!!

I love Bill. Man he sure has accomplished a lot in his life. Just goes to show you, you can do anything you set your mind to.

Jeeze, That's never happen to me so far, but now that I have said that, I's sure it will. LOL

I have ordered juice from them. French Vanilla and Pina Colada. I really liked their juice, but now that I have found some other good vendors, I realized that their prices are waaaaaay too high.

I just knew he was sitting in that Oval Office vaping! Did they say what juice he likes? I think maybe Julie and Nina turned him onto Pumpkin Spice!

It's a done deal. Looking forward to hearing more juice reviews.

Erika, You Go Girl! That was an awesome thing to do for your in-laws. Imagine how much fun Thanksgiving dinners will be!

Hey Chris, Thanks for the info about the blood type of most of the members. I'll remember that if I should need blood. Oh, can you tell me what mine is, I can't remember! LOL hahahahaha Just a little of my sick humor! I think I should ask my doctor about a brain transplant? But then they may see that my brain damage was self inflected and deem me ineligible. They would be afraid I would damage my new brain. LOL I had better stop now!

I was looking at these Saturday. They look like a hybrid of the Mini Map Mods. I have been wondering which ohm would be the best to use with my eGo battery?

Hey Cheshy, Are you sure its not your pass through that is the problem? I would call them on the phone if you don't get and answer to emails. I have heard a lot of good stuff about their customer service. I wonder why they didn't respond to your first email. Let me know what happens.

Hey Cheshy, Have you gotten your Mod in yet? Can't wait to hear!

Oh, my head is not screwed on properly either. And my hands aren't much better either. I did order some button protectors and I am using them on my back up batteries that I carry around. My fingers are having a hard time using the button protector in multipliable sequences. So, I thought this little case might work.

Miss Kitty, I love what your Pirate said about saying hello to your missing taste buds. So funny and right on!

Miss Kitty, I love what your Pirate said about saying hello to your missing taste buds. So funny and right on!

Erika, I noticed your rating for TH on all four very very low. If you like a good TH, you should have ordered the Aggressive or Ultra Aggressive for .25 cents more.

I am digging this little slim case from Vera Bradley. It's $18 though. http://www.verabradley.com/product/Category/Whats-New/Slim-Case/1001158/defaultColor/Lemon+Parfait/pc/638/c/0/sc/786/p/1001158.uts I'm not thinking the guys will get a warm and fuzzy feeling over this case. LOL Is't it amazing, I can look at a new juice, atty or carto and not blink an eye. But my stomach turns when I think about spending $18 on a cute little case. Go figure! LOL

Your eGo is a manual one right? The juice won't hurt your battery, it's sealed. You just have to clean out your atty and let it sit. Everything will be fine in eGo Land.