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Is there anyway that you can just copy and paste the letter here??? So I can just copy and paste into the email program I use?? I don't have any program that will open this file, I don't use outlook express. I have downloaded two programs now, neither of which will open this type of file. I really want to help. I assume the letter says where to email it to? I think it would be a lot easier for those of us who don't use outlook express. Thanks for any help. Otherwise if you tell me where to email, I will be happy to send the letter I sent to every rep and senator in IL last spring. Actually that might be easier as I have that saved in my email. Plus it isn't just a form, it is a letter I wrote. I will just change all the particulars in it as far as bill number etc. Tell me where to email it please....or if you want me to use the form letter I would be glad to that if I could gain access. My husband and I have been trying for the past almost hour to no avail as I really want to help with this. If a ban goes through in even ONE state it will be like a freaking snowball, although in NJ a year ago it ended up being overturned, but I am afraid of a snowball effect. Thanks so much!!!

First let me say I do NOT use that particular item. I use cartomizers and have had issues with the fiber coming out, and therefor pulling the wire going to atty with it. I just take like a skewer or the eye end of a blunt tipped embroidery needle and jam it all back down. Obviously I take the cap off first with the same blunt tip needle. I don't know if this would apply to or help/work with what you are using.

That is really awesome....I LOVE to know about suppliers like that. We have not yet ordered from the VT store, but intend to soon. We are currently on a quest to find a new juice supplier. We bought all our juice except one from V4L but if you read my post you will know I REFUSE to buy another thing from them...wouldn't even want it for free. Anyway, we are trying to find places to order juice from, which I know will be difficult to replace it unless we find someone selling the exact same stuff. I thought maybe vapor kings did, but they don't, the juice is different. SO in our next round of experimenting we will be hitting up the VT store. Hopefully we won't end up with a hundred bottles of juice we don't like. We just ordered a bunch from 4 different suppliers....waiting on them, hoping we love SOMETHING. If not, I will try and give it away at the Windy City meeting next month!! If no one there wants it, I will give it away here. As it is I already have about 20 bottles of varying sizes of juice we don't/won't use. crazy, but it's part of the process.

It is probably defective. I agree, contact the supplier you bought it from immediately, I am sure they will get a new one out to you right away. We have had all kinds of defective stuff including cartos, batts, chargers, PT that are DOA....never had any problem getting replacements from any vendors for DOA products. This stuff is made in China, what can be expected by workers being paid 17 cents an hour???!!!!

I smoked 2-3ppd and my husband the same amount as you. He smoked Marlboro box, I smoked Doral light 100's. We both vape 18mg and both like that level. I chain vape just like I chain smoked and he vapes light like he smoked. We vape entirely different flavors. At the beginning I was hell bent on finding a juice to replicate the tobacco flavor and order sooooo many different tobacco flavored juices from tons of different vendors. I finally reached the same conclusion as everyone else, there is NO juice that tastes like tobacco. BUT the good part of that is that the juices you do like are a million times BETTER than tobacco tastes. Everyone else will say the same thing...experiment with flavors, you will be surprised with what you like. I vape only cappuccino, my husband vapes a bunch of flavors including coffee, chocolate, cherry, sour green apple, watermelon, banana, grape and several others I can't think of at the moment. Now tobacco doesn't taste so wonderful....we have been vaping almost a year. You get away from the whole "trying to make it be like a real cigarette" REAL fast once you discover the wonderful world of flavors!! Good luck, enjoy experimenting, you will love it!!

It just irked me because of the lying. I never had any issue with them before that HOWEVER, I know they have grown tremendously in the past year, so who knows, sometimes that is bad if someone is unprepared for it. The old, you can't be great in every area. BUT that does not excuse flat out lying. We ordered EVERYTHING from them with the except of one juice. But EVERY month we spent at least $200 with them between the two of us. It REALLY made me mad. I am currently on week three of a manual PT from cigeasy. I will be sure to let you know when it dies. So far it is better than the ones from V4L. ALSO it was cheaper....for 19.95 you get the PT PLUS a 5 pack of cartos, any flavor you want, and nic level. SO really not a bad price given that V4L unless they have a 25%+ is more. I had it from CA in two days from time of order. So fast shipping. So we shall see how long this one lasts. The thing is that if you aren't going to REPLACE something, DO NOT say you will and then DON"T SAY you did. Before they arrived when it was taking so long I told my husband, how much you wanna bet they are trying to fix the broken ones and they are sending them back. I mean there was no real reason that it would take that long UNLESS the package had been damaged during transit, which it was not. It was perfectly fine and intact in every way. The moment I saw them I knew my suspicions were correct and the fingerprint pretty much clinched that. How many purple auto PTs you think are out there with an epoxy fingerprint???? You really couldn't see it unless you knew it was there, and I didn't want to risk totally scratching it up and having it look like crap by trying to remove it (not that anyone sees it besides us, but still) so I bet they had NO clue it was there. It was sort of an identifying mark. The blatant lying is what really upset me. We had screwed up orders where they sent wrong juice, or left out items we ordered and I would call them and never had ANY PROBLEM with them immediately rectifying the issue. So prior to this we always thought their customer service was excellent and in fact, because my husband is a professional musician and plays in clubs all the time we have piles of their business cards because invariably smokers in clubs were always asking him about his ecig because he used it openly. Or when I was at the show, I too used mine. A couple people we met that we then saw at subsequent shows would then have theirs, so we got them quite a bit of business. I too would LOVE to hear from ANYONE who has a PT that has lasted like even 3 mos...I could live with that life span. But a couple weeks or even less is ridiculous. I am not willing to pay $20 a week for any PT, although I do LOVE it. But come on, THAT alone is half the cost of what I was paying for a carton of smokes in IN. (we are in IL but only 15ish miles from the IN border where the taxes aren't so insane).

another issue with the cartos is the batteries......when the batts start losing power so then the carto sucks too. So there is a difference with the liquid being used up and the battery losing power. Personally, and I just did this, I refill tons of cartos at once, got the XL carrying case from V4L that I can fit 5 batts and almost 20 cartos in....it is made for 4 batteries and 8 cartos, BUT there is a HUGE empty space when it is closed in which you can pile more stuff in. Can you tell I NEVER want to be out and unprepared???????

It didn't affect mine either way, but I wonder IF the ppl where it is higher are vaping in more nic than they were smoking....which would lead me to believe they should possible get lower MG juice, etc. That is what I would do anyway. I have been vaping a year and go to several drs every 90 days, so basically every month I am at some dr and they all take my BP. If it were to suddenly increase now I don't believe it would be associated with vaping...probably more of an age/family history issue being as I am nearly 48 and and my dad had a quint bypass, no heart attack thank God and both my parents have high BP as well as my maternal grandfather who had high bp and a stroke at 72. So there are so many other issues that affect BP. To me the BP would have to begin increasing immediately after starting vaping. Plus since nicotine leaves your body in a relatively short time span you could easily take BP immediately after vaping, then not vape for an hour or due any other activity which would increase your BP and then take it again. If it goes down when removing the nic, then perhaps it is caused by the vaping, in which case I would lower my nic level. Which with liquid I already own I would just cut it with pg or vg, and from then on order a lower level. I highly doubt after 30 yrs of smoking I will suddenly do some tremendous damage with vaping, that wouldn't have happened due to other factors anyway. Just my opinion. I mean people who have never smoked or vaped or aren't overweight etc have high BP....both my parents fall into this category. At the time when my dad had the bypass, SEVENTY years old was running 5-10 miles a day. Up till that point he ran a low BP just like I always have. Sometimes it happens for no reason at all, other than over time our bodies become less efficient. That is aging for ya.

I like your #5....I charge my batteries, as well as cell phone and netbook on a power strip that is sort of next to my side of the bed....like right under the frame so I can still reach everything. At night when having to get up to go to the bathroom or whatnot the glowing lights do make a nice little nightlight. Not light enough to be annoying but light enough to provide useful illumination. Nice right on the floor so if the kids left something laying around i don't trip and break my neck!!!

Can't hurt to try selling....especially to someone new who wants to try various stuff but can't afford or doesn't want to buy it all new. Can't lose anything by trying, right?

A lot of this has to do with taste buds....about 25% of the population are "non-tasters" which means they have roughly 25% fewer taste buds....they would need a MUCH stronger flavor in order to not say, "eh"....then 25% of the population that are "super-tasters" which means they have 25% more taste buds, so they need far less flavor in order for something to have a distinctive taste....then you have the 50% which are the medium tasters. THEN the other part of taste has to do with our brains....how much our brain reads the signal from our tongue/taste buds. The ability to taste also has to do with our ability to smell. Plug your nose totally while vaping, inhale, exhale and you taste nothing. So that figures into things. There are so many variables that go into taste. When my husband and I first started vaping, we looked on various sites where they have a "best sellers" list and you can read tons of reviews. We ordered caramel machiatto(sp??), RY4, butterscotch, vanilla ice cream and various other flavors from several vendors, and we hated every single one of them. I especially hate the sweet flavors. I have tried RY4 from about 6-8 vendors and hated every single one of them. They didn't all taste exactly the same, but they were all overpoweringly sweet. The butterscotch and vanilla, I literally had to brush my teeth, the taste was so horrible to me. So we ordered other flavors that people gave great reviews and we looked on youtube and we finally stopped doing it because we concluded that obviously these ppl liked something entirely different than we did. Funny about the burnt cheeseburger...my MIL eats her burgers burnt....like we are all done eating by the time hers is even done cooking. It is so hard I don't know how she even chews the damn thing. I don't know that it is actually as hard as a rock, but I wouldn't be able to eat it, it is just sooooo hard on the outside and black and just gross looking. On the other hand, I would be happy to eat it raw and I LOVE steak tartare made with 99% lean sirloin. I eat all red meat as rare as it can be....like give me a filet with just some grill marks on it. Some barely seared sushi grade ahi tuna, YUM. Other people think that stuff is gross and my husband would die before he would touch either. So personally, I think taste is more subjective than objective. I don't read restaurant reviews anymore because 9 times out of 10 I am very disappointed. I read them more just to get an idea of what the place is like vs what the food quality is. Taste is so individual, and determined by so many physical variables. So to me what would be MORE meaningful as far as a "bestseller" list is a "repeat buyer" list.....just because they sell a lot of it doesn't mean it is all being happily consumed. It could be ending up in a ditched pile like so much of our liquid. I wonder how many people buy things like we did because people said how great it was, and/or it was on some bestseller list but then never bought it again. It would be possibly more useful to have a list, for instance, stating that 100 different people bought this and of them 23 bought it again. Of course I realize that would require calculation and effort that probably no one wants to waste their time doing. I now will only try a liquid if I can buy it in 5ml or smaller OR the price of it is low enough that if I hate it I won't be upset about wasting the money. I ONLY vape one flavor because of the 100+ we have tried it is the only flavor I like. My husband always complains because I am VERY picky about food. I like a lot of foods, BUT they have to be prepared in very specific ways. Like vegetables, if they are mushy or overcooked I won't eat them. Like with frozen or fresh veggies I boil them and the minute the water starts boiling they are done. I won't eat meat and vegetables on the same plate...they have to be separate. I also don't like take a bite of meat, then potato, then veggie. I eat ALL the meat first, then the vegetable, usually then I am full, but if it is some small amount then I will eat the potato or rice or whatever. But I cannot mix the food tastes together, it totally disgusts me. Can't stand it. I can't stand cheese on a vegetable either...I like cheese and I like broccoli, but I HATE them together, tastes terrible to me. For the same reason I do not eat stew or anything where the meat is cooked together with the veggies....I hate the taste even if I love all the individual ingredients on their own. I also could never eat a dessert immediately following regular type food....can't stand how it tastes. Anyway, I think taste is very subjective, or at least it is to me. So I have reached this conclusion.....if you are a medium taster and another medium taster is doing the review, the odds are you will generally agree with that opinion. If you are a super taster and a super taster does the review, the odds are you will generally agree with them. Same for non taster. BUT there are also degrees.....like you could have someone who is medium, but on the lower end toward the non taster. So the reviews by people who I have NO idea what kinds of things they like, forget it. BUT if I sort of know in general what types of things they like, I can form a little bit better opinion. We now have way more liquid in the discard pile than we have in the use pile. I finally went through it all to bring to the Windy City meeting next month....I was shocked at how little we have that we will use as compared to what we will not. Anyway, now I just know it is an experiment.

teeheehee.....I only vape one flavor, for like 7 mos now. I of course tried probably 100 flavors, got briefly stuck on a couple of them, but then really found that I only liked one flavor. I have occasionally tried a drag off my husband's various flavors...he uses about 8 that I have all liked prior to this one flavor, but nope, none of them taste good to me at all. Oh, and yeah, I only like chocolate tootsie pops, LOL.....I won't eat any other flavor. And the cappuccino that I vape, (actually a mixture of capp from two different places), is a flavor I probably wouldn't have even tried, because I didn't like coffee flavor at all despite the fact that I LOVE real coffee....I got it as a freebie with an order and instantly just LOVED it. It is funny with vaping how so many people end up LOVING flavors they would have never even thought they would like. I wouldn't mind having variety IF I could find any other flavor I like. I did order a pumpkin and a pumpkin spice the other day, thinking maybe that is something I could add to the capp just to change things a bit. But even other flavors that I really did like at one time like root beer and irish cream, I just can't stand them now. Weird. It really is a lot of trial and experimenting to find flavors you like. And trying to figure out what you DON"T like about a flavor. It is funny too how you can order flavors from different places that you would think would be the same and they are ENTIRELY different. Like the cappuccino, the one from V4L is a very light liquid, drips very easy, 100% PG....the other one which is from Gourmet Vapor is SUPER dark brown and VERY thick, you have to REALLY squeeze the bottle to get it to drip, that one is 80%PG 20%VG. and it is a MUCH MUCH more intense strong flavor. No way could I ever vape that on it's own. I tried it and it was just soooo overpowering and crazy strong. But mixed with the other one which is a rather mellow flavor, it is GREAT. Anyway, finding a flavor you like takes a lot of playing around and trying a lot of liquid.

For about the last 9 months we have been buying tons of stuff from V4L even ordering hundreds of dollars of batteries and liquid at a time (when we were concerned about a possible ban in IL last March/April). So last summer I had gotten a PT from them as a freebie with a huge order, used it for about 4 weeks and it died. Had another one from somewhere else that died in like 3 weeks. So in November I ordered two PTs from V4L and I had written asking how long they should last, and explained what had happened with the others. So they told me, no worries, they have a 60 day warranty on hardware and even with heavy vaping (which I am a heavy user)one should last at least 3-4 months. Okay, fine....so the first PT dies in a week, so I contact them and a replacement with return envelope for the broken one is here the very next day. SO I am like, AWESOME. So in the meantime I had used the second PT I had gotten from them and continued to use it, and it was also dead in a week. So I called them, and say that I hadn't even had a chance to mail the first defective one back and now I have TWO defective PTs. So okay, I am going to put both broken ones in the return envelope, and I mailed it back that day. V4L is only about an hour away from where we live. So I sent it with tracking and delivery confirmation. So they were like NO PROBLEM at all....they had already packed two new PTs and they were being mailed that day, on a Monday. Well they got my package back in one day...Tuesday. So four days pass and I still don't have my replacement PTs.....so I email them because I am thinking possibly they got damaged in transit, or some other thing, or maybe something happened and they didn't go out when they had originally said. But normally I have things next day from them, two days at most. So they write back and say, yup, they were mailed that past Monday and I should have them any day. So FINALLY after EIGHT days I get them......and RIGHT away I knew they lied. First off, having bought several from them, I KNOW what they look like newly packaged, in a little clear bag, with cord to the side, neatly coiled with a tiny twist tie. So the one PT is in a totally crumbled up bag, with the cord just jammed into the bag. The other PT is in another crumbled bag and the cord is all wound around the PT EXACTLY how I HAD packaged mine when I sent them back. THEN the real kicker was that on the one PT, I had gotten a bit of hard setting epoxy glue on it, and in the process of trying to get it off gotten my fingerprint on it. So sure enough the one PT has my epoxy print still on it! Funny for a brand new replacement product that was mailed before they ever had that epoxy printed one in their possession. Hmmmm, gee, real mystery! So I KNOW they somehow "fixed" the PTs.....EXCEPT they weren't fixed, they were both dead in two days. Don't get me wrong, IF they had said, hey send them back we can repair them, NO PROBLEM, I would have done it. It infuriates me to NO END that they said repeatedly that they had REPLACED the PTs and sent them out on this particular Monday and it took them EIGHT DAYS to travel 35 miles.....when they got back my PTs overnight, in less than 24 hours!! They did NOT replace the PTs as they said......they waited to get my broken ones back and then did whatever they did to get them working again....except it didn't work...they were dead even quicker than they had died in the first place. I just DO NOT understand why they would lie, and the way the stuff was packaged NO ONE would think it was new merchandise. The bags looked like they had been pulled out of a trash can. I cannot stand lying and particularly not when I am PAYING for something. Well, I can't stand lying period, but anyway. I am done with them. We spent A LOT with them and I will NOT give them another penny. We had other issues, but never complained...mainly with them switching e liquid. I don't know what they did or whatever, but they had it all on the website exactly the same, but suddenly they changed some of the liquids....came in entirely different bottles, entirely different labels, but didn't taste the same. But whatever, it wasn't hideous, just not as good as it had been. I have heard from other people that this is a common complaint with them....they change the liquids but represent it as if it hasn't changed and then you suddenly have something different that you don't like. Anyway, I have told several people about this and none of them were surprised but several said I should share this experience. I am curious if anyone else has had similar problems with them. Anyway, I will not be buying anything from them again.

So far the vanillas we have tried were disgusting....just WAY toooooooooo sweet. Like literally we were running to the sink spitting. I had to brush my teeth the after taste was so gross. I have had regular vanilla, vanilla ice cream and other flavors I liked alone and were destroyed with vanilla. I have totally given up on vanilla flavoring. I also can't stand caramel and any of the other candy type flavors, just too sweet for me. I ordered pumpkin and pumpkin spice from somewhere, as well as cappuccino from 4 different vendors....don't remember which, I have it all in my email, LOL. Everyone was suggesting different places so we just picked a few and will go from there. For the last 8 mos or so we were buying almost all our liquid from V4L, but I am totally disgusted with them now, long story, so we are trying to find another source.....hopefully just one so we don't have to waste money on all kinds of multiple postage.

2 packs??? ahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha. I go through 5-7 cartos a day. They are NOWHERE near any pack, unless the cigs were like an inch long. I use like 60ish of them, refill them every week. Every 3-5 refills when they start tasting yucky I boil them all. Then they are good for another 3-5 fills. After that I boil them, soak in everclear, boil again to get all alcohol out, and they are like brand new never used cartos and I start the process all over. In a year I have had maybe 10 die...or I should say we because my husband uses about 100 of them too...because he vapes like 8 different flavors...I use only one flavor. Thank God they are refillable because I go through them like crazy. They claimed to be the equivalent of a pack to 1.5 packs depending where I bought them from. Yeah, right, that would mean I am vaping 5-9 packs a day, which God knows I was a heavy 2-3ppd smoker for 30 years, but even I didn't smoke any 5, let alone 9 packs a day!!!! When I refill them I get about 20 drops per carto, some a little more, some a little less, depending on the filler. Anyway, I think you will find EVERYONE will tell you the same thing....normal sized carts/cartos are NOT the equivalent of any 2 packs of smokes, I don't even think they are the equivalent of a pack. MAYBE half a pack.

I had the same issue, but not sure if that was the supplier. But certain flavors had the option of adding sweetener....and the coffee type flavors had the options of adding both cream and sugar. I was so confused I ended up not getting it at all. I normally just order straight "cappuccino" from various places that don't have the option of adding anything. Some of them are fine, some are either just WAY too flavored or way too sweet. I add a lot of sugar to coffee in real life, but apparently it doesn't translate to e juice the same way. Like I don't vape coffee flavor (my husband does) because I think it tastes WAY too sweet, and not a whole lot like coffee. I have never had an RY4 that I liked either though, or caramel, or any of the sweeter flavors....I just think they are gross, like eating a ton of cotton candy type taste. In real life I am not much of a candy/sweets person, so I don't know. Then again in my coffee I LOVE sugar. I guess if they recommend adding it, go ahead and try it. If money isn't a big issue, could you possibly buy a small amount of it each way? I have done that with certain flavor and then usually ended up mixing them together. In fact the juice I vape now is a mix of cappuccino from two different vendors.

I have cheap juice that I LOVE and have expensive juice I absolutely hate of the same flavors. We just ordered about 12 juices from 4 diff vendors, prices from super cheap to high end of average. But I have found that as far as taste that price isn't really much of an indicator. I am more concerned about flavor than vapor production,etc. To me the amount of vapor is a plus but tons of it isn't a necessity. I do prefer a nice cloud, like equivalent to smoking a cig, but to me it is the flavor that matters and it hasn't seemed like a high price necessarily means a good flavor. It is soooooo subjective though....I have ordered what other people rave about, and hated it, then stuff other people just rate as okay, and I love it. So it is hard to know, it is such a personal preference thing. I don't know anything about mad vapes....but can't hurt to try a small amount, especially if it is cheap. I have a HUGE amount of juice that I will not use, and going to try and see if anyone at the Windy City meeting wants any of it next month, if not I will just offer to give it away....especially to someone new to vaping who needs to try a bunch of flavors.

I like the looks of them except for the eclipse, don't care for the looks of them. Since I have two mods I am waiting on I think I will wait till 2012 before I get anything new......maybe by then I will have killed my 808 cartos and be willing to change to another type of device. I also bought something else that I am HOPING I won't regret. We shall see.

I do not live in NY, but this happened in IL last year....ended up being reassigned to some healthy committee and basically dying there, BUT it is REALLY important that you call and email the reps even outside your jurisdiction and be harsh...make it clear that you will keep records of EVERY person who supports this nonsensical bill AND that you will be sure to spread that info far and wide. MOST of these people have goals beyond their current positions, as such one day they could easily be running for offices where you WOULD have an opportunity to vote for/against them. In fact one of the reps here just ran for treasurer and won....I voted for him, he opposed the e cig ban. So even if they are not in your area, write them anyway. I just wrote one email and kept cutting and pasting it, wrote out one outline for my phone calls and said the same thing over and over. THIS has to be stopped.....if it passes in one state it starts escalating. Take a few hours of your weekend and write all these ppl if you are in NY!!

My husband is bald, mostly, and shaves his head....looks soooo nice, I love it. If I could be bald I would....so much easier than messing with styling hair!

ugh, I am SOOOO sorry.....do you have a store called Batteries Plus there? They sell like every kind of battery on earth there. Try giving them a call if you have one in your area.....also look in the yellow pages for any store like that. They are on the high side prisewise, but who cares in this situation! Good Luck!!!

Yes, she is actually half dachshund, not that anyone can tell....the chihuahua in her totally took over. Her name is Pixie and she will be 3 y/o March 31st. I just love her, she is the happiest little thing. I imagine the only issue over a reasonable time after expiration date would be tht the nicotine would become weaker, but that could be good with juice you think is too strong. Plus you could always add in more nic juice if it seems way weaker. But expiration dates ALWAYS err on the side of caution, so there is automatically extra time built in.

Oh man, DON"T say that, I will be physically ill.....100???????

I don't recommend the regular stick size batteries either....although I am STILL using them a year later. I rotate 6 of them and it is a complete pain. Have two mods on order, can't wait to get them! I was hell bent on having something resemble a regular cigarette too and even if it is a white battery and the same basic shape, it is longer and heavier anyway, so you hold it differently than a normal cigarette. Even with the auto batteries, you still vape in a different manner than you smoke, and because of the weight you can't hold it the same. Don't get me wrong, it isn't HEAVY, but a real cig weighs nearly nothing, so compared to no weight, obviously a battery weighs more. The auto batteries have all kinds of issues....the auto shut off isn't that reliable, then you have to blow into it to shut it off, various things can make it turn on as someone mentioned, in general a pain. If you want to vape, which I can't imagine not wanting to now, then just go for it and buy a decent device. IF you think you might not like it and just want to try it, you could always try a disposable device and then you aren't out a ton of money. On the other hand you might not like it simply because it was a cheapo device. Another thing when you first start,, most ppl are on a quest to find soemthing that tastes just like a real cig,....that doesn't exist. Try flavors, even ones you don't necessarily think sound that great, you will be surprised at what you like. My husband vapes flavors whose counterparts he would never eat/consume. I was a 2+ppd smoker for 30 years....my husband was a lighter smoker....we have been vaping for almost a year now and I just wish this device had existed far before it did!

the PG juice won't freeze....it can thicken if the freezer is cold enough. But even in a subzero you would have to have it WAY sub zero before it would freeze. But chemical changes occur with most any consumable product at excessisve temps in either direction. That is why even frozen food can't be frozen beyonod a certain point. The freezing itself can cause damage. Even if it could be frozen, or with VG which I assume could be frozen other than the nicotine possibly degrading, I doubt you could freeze it beyond the expiration date which is usually about two years, so it would be kind of pointless. Personally I would use expired juice, like within a year of it's expiration....the nicotine might just be weaker.