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See, THAT was the problem. It wasn't so much getting swindled, but that is how we were trying to figure out what flavors we wanted to vape. We bought prefilled cartos from many different vendors. Then we started buying from V4L because they have more flavors than most other places and bought pretty much every flavor they sell except ones we really thought we would hate. Fortunately they would toss in several other single prefilled cartos of flavors we hadn't tried, and that was actually how we found a bunch we did like. THEN we finally started just buying the liquid of the stuff we did like. THEN I did some logo work for someone and they sent me liquid as payment....and I got into mixing various liquids together. NOW, after vaping only cappuccino for many months I finally decided to branch out, I wasn't sick of it or anything, but just some other stuff started sounding kind of good. It took SO long for me to find ANYTHING I really WANTED to vape, as opposed to just being okay or tolerable. But if we hadn't bought the prefilled cartos we would have probably just ended up with a ton of 10ml bottles of liquid we didn't like and still be out 8 bucks plus shipping. EVEN as it is, we have more bottles of liquid we DON'T use than what we do. Simply because some of the prefilled flavors we liked, but the liquid from the same exact vendor, which supposedly was what the cartos were filled with tasted TOTALLY different than what has been in the cartos. We even tried them side by side, and it clearly didn't taste the same. So we ended up with heaven knows how much liquid we didn't like. It is a lot of trial and error, finding what flavors you like. But EVEN with all that expense is it still WAY less than we would have spent on cigarettes, especially between two people. My husband smoked like only a 1/4 what I was smoking, but still, it adds up. I have problems with my hands and legs shaking, so believe me, if cleaning the cartos was labor intensive I couldn't do it. It is really no big deal at all, and really it is no different than everyone cleaning their atty when it gets gunked up. It is essentially the same thing, only with filler. The hardest part, if you want to call it hard at all, is blowing the water out when you have dozens of cartos.....then I make my husband do it. But we are rotating so many of them, I really only have to boil them like once a month or so. It isn't like a weekly activity or anything. Although if it was, that would mean it would involve far less of them. I just don't like wasting, or throwing away something that obviously is still working just fine. And like with the boiling, soaking in everclear, THAT kills EVERYTHING. After that process there is NO odor, NO taste, they are like totally never used cartos.

cool, I wish I was techy like that and had the slightest idea how to make these things on my own. I can't wait to get my jolly mods!!!! Notice I say "my" like they will both be mine, teeheehee, my husband is snagging one of them, LOL.

Like a carto, you KNOW when it is dry, it tastes horrible, but after vaping so long now, you can tell before that point, thank God. I remember in the beginning a few times vaping it till it got that hideous horrid taste.

If nothing else all the attempted, pending, and potential bans in the news should make more people aware. Almost everything around here is a franchise, even if only locally. I do not make a big show of blowing vapor or anything like that. I by no means HIDE what I am doing, but I don't blow vapor out into the air, I usually direct it toward the ground or swallow it since there is no real reason to exhale it. The device I am using now which is an ego type thing for kr808 cartos doesn't light up on the end, only at the button, which is blue so most people don't even notice. We were at PF Chang's vaping one time and the waitress asked us if it was an e cig and we said yes, so she was chatting with it because she had used chantix with no success and then the manager came over and was asking questions too because he was a smoker wanting to stop. So if anything, by using it, we have introduced other people to real life use. A lot of people know what they are, but have never actually seen one, or are only familiar with the expensive mall kiosk type. Which that is another thing almost without fail that people ask....did we buy it at the mall. Then we tell them nope, on the internet, and how much cheaper it is, how many different flavors there are, etc. Almost invariably people start taking notes about what to google, and writing down urls, and stuff like that. We have never had any negative reaction whatsoever. No one has ever thought we were smoking, even if they did, if they got within 10 ft it would become obvious we weren't since there is no smoke smell. I can understand the places that sell devices intentionally posting a sign, but that is more because they are trying to sell something, than allow you to do something. But I don't think most places will post a sign saying you CAN do something. Most signs just tell you what you CAN'T do,...like the no shoes, no shirt, no service type of things. Sort of like in a mall some stores have signs saying that you aren't permitted to bring drinks or food inside them, but the stores that allow it don't have a sign saying you are permitted to have beverages or food. It is unusual no matter what it is to have a sign saying you are permitted to do something. Mainly I think because the list is far shorter of what you are NOT permitted to have or do. Usually signs are just for things you are NOT allowed to do. That is what I look for, I would think that if they didn't want you to vape that would be plenty easy to put right on the door where the "this is a non smoking establishment" sign is. You wanna hear something funny along these lines? At this one dr I go to, she is inside a medical building filled with many other drs offices and each floor has a common waiting area in the middle for all the drs. There is now a HUGE sign that shows you the "polite" way to cough and sneeze, complete with symbols, LOL. I almost laughed. Like how pathetic is it that you have to SHOW and TELL people to cough or sneeze into their inner elbow or a tissue??? rather than just spewing germs all over and/or coughing/sneezing into their hands and then touching half a dozen things??? I thought that was both hilarious and pathetic at the same time. Right beneath that sign is another telling parents to not allow their children to run around and use the waiting area as a playground. I forget how that one is worded exactly, but it just made me shake my head.

I was buying prefilled cartos and vaping 5-8 of them a day....that exceeded the expense of smoking. I accumulated HUNDREDS, with my husband around a thousand cartos VERY quickly with ordering all different flavors. I knew there HAD to be a way to clean them and then I found lots of videos on you tube about the various methods. Of course they aren't intended to be boiled. The people selling them would LOVE to be selling me $12 a day of cartos and throwing them out. It isn't anything hard or any real hands on work. I use a hotpot in my master bath, while watching tv.....about every 15-20 mins I go in there, pour out the water...there is a slotted spout so you can do that without opening the lid or anything, no cartos can fall out, and open the lid refill and it is boiling again in under one minute. I do it a few times till the water no longer smells, probably about an hour of boiling, then I just fill it with cool water, and they cool instantly, then I blow the water out and set them to dry for a day or till I need to fill them. I actually dry them in the little plastic tray that was the insert from my cell phone box, perfect size, will hold about 100 of them. It is MAYBE ten minutes of hands on handling. Most of the time they are just in the water boiling which requires no effort on my part. But then again I refill ink cartridges in my printer too, and a lot of people think that is stupid. Anyone who direct drips spends way more time doing that than I spend cleaning cartos. In this entire year MAYBE 10 cartos have died, and none of them immediately after boiling. Just using them and they stop working when the atty finally burns out. So it sounds like some big production, but it really isn't. Now boiling in a pot, that would require far more time, only because it takes awhile for water to reach boiling temp. The hotpot I have was $10 at walmart, they sell them everywhere, any place that sells small kitchen appliances. I used to use it to heat water for tea. Now I use it ONLY for cleaning cartos. So hey, anyone who is throwing away 808 cartos, don't, send them to me....I will be happy to take your trash, LOL. For me, with as heavy a user I am, it is not an inexpensive little thing. I go through way too many to throw away a device that is working fine. Plus I have done it when I have gotten prefilled cartos where I hated the flavor, was able to clean them and use them for liquid I did like.

here is a whole compatibility chart....scroll down to get to the e cig one...the first one is for cigar size, etc. http://www.e-cigarette-wiki.com/index.php?title=Brand_and_Model_Compatibility_Chart

oh, and don't boil the tops of them. I wash the tops in an old pill bottle, I put them in there with hot water and a drop of dish soap. Put the lid on and shake them a bit....not too hard because the top will leak water. Then I rinse them and dry them on a towel or paper towel if you don't have a bunch of them. You will have cartos that die, because they aren't meant to last forever....but it is not most of them, it is very few. But it DOES happen. But it would happen even if you never boiled them. Every other time I boil them, I do the whole boiling process, then soak them in everclear/cheap vodka for an hour, and have even left them over night, (depends what I am doing, how I am feeling, how tired I am, etc) and then boil them again a few times to get the alcohol out. Then blow the water out, and let them dry. THEN they are like brand new, NO odor, NOTHING. With the boiling alone, you do get them pretty clean, but it doesn't clean out some of the really strong flavors, like grape and sour cherry. so I do keep an eye on which ones I refill with which liquid. After the everclear or vodka soak you can pretty much fill them with anything. That kills any flavor from them. I usually do the boiling while watching tv or being online, etc. I change the water probably every 15 minutes it has been boiling. I use a cheapo $10 electric hot pot because it goes from cold to boiling in under a minute, so it is a quick way to get them boiling over and over again. I just keep changing the water until there is NO odor anymore. Then I boil them one more time for good measure. Hope that helps

the number of "drops" also depends where the liquid is from. I have had liquid from places that have much larger holes in the dripper part of the bottle and therefore produce bigger drops.

that is what I had found too....that was how I first found it was a KR208 device.

If you still want to use your KR808 cartos you can get a device that is basically the 808 version of an ego, actually has more mah....the elegant easy at cig easy is 750 mah, they also have the XXL elegant easy which is 1300 mah, so it would really go long between charges. I have the elegant easy...frank at cigeasy said to hold off on the xxl because he is getting a new thing in this week with the XXL with 3ml cartos.....but they both work with any kr808 carto. I went with this because I started with the regular "cigarette style" 808's and I am not going to just waste them all by changing to a 510 device. I also have two mods ordered to use with 808 cartos.

First of all boiling for 5 minutes won't clean them. You have to boil them for a total of about an hour, changing water periodically. Then you have to blow all the water out of them and then dry them for about 24 hours. In the year my husband and I have been vaping only about 10 have died....of many hundreds of them. Then when you fill them they take a good 20 drops usually...using the top fill method. I assume you took the top caps off of them before boiling? You have to do that too....then you blow from the top end until no water comes out. But 5 minutes wouldn't be long enough. I usually boil anywhere from 30-50 of them at a time. Obviously the more you boil the longer it would take to get clean water. But you would have to change the water at least once, because otherwise you just removed them from dirty water, and they were never boiled in clean water.

So far in the Chicago area I haven't found any establishment that doesn't allow vaping. Never seen a sign but vape in public with no problem at all. I haven't met anyone who doesn't know what it is. I have met people who have never seen one in real life and come ask questions about it, but no one has ever asked me to stop using it or anything.

There are MANY causes of lung cancer other than smoking. We have a close family friend who worked in the printing industry and he has cancer which is a DIRECT result of years of working with all the solvents and inks in printing. Back years ago they didn't know to wear all those ventilators and protection like is done now. But even so, you can't eliminate EVERYTHING. Also when you are using like an epoxy glue or other adhesives, that is super bad for you. Basically, if you can smell something, you are breathing in whatever is causing the smell. ANY foreign substance is potentially a problem. Asphalt fumes aren't good, neither are the chemicals in black top sealer. People that do that all the time wear masks, but you see regular people using black top sealer to do their own driveways without wearing anything all the time. Look at when you build something outdoors, like say a deck or shed with treated lumber.....that is full of chemicals, when you are cutting it you are causing all kinds of airborne dust. Most people don't take all the precautions and wear masks and ventilators. Look at all the warnings about skin cancer and all the people who STILL insist on sunbathing, because they think it looks good. Tell that to my dad who is battling melanoma, and all he ever did was take off his shirt in the sun while mowing lawn and doing yard work. But it doesn't take that much. Every sunburn increases the chances of future skin cancer. Tanning beds don't make it any safer. Even if you never left home, there are plenty of toxins within a home. As far as airborne stuff in your home, read this........ http://goes-green.com/113/how-important-is-it-to-use-chemical-free-cleaning-products-in-your-home/ Here are a couple quotes from that article, and there are many others you can find as well online..... "Did you know that currant research is showing 70 to 85 times more pollution in our homes than outside, even in the cities. The chemicals used to clean your tiles and carpets emit toxins, which are extremely dangerous. These chemicals have the tendency to create severe health disorders to your children and have been found to change behavioral patterns. The common health problems faced due to constant exposure over the years to these chemicals are severe headache, breathing trouble, asthma, allergies, cancer, depression, sleep issues and asthma, just to name a few. Constantly inhaling these chemicals have a high instance of also resulting in arthritis, chronic fatigue, depression and many respiratory related health issues. It is this chronic exposure over the years that cause woman or men filling the roll of homemaker to have a 55% cancer rate than those that don’t."

I think I have finally gotten tired of only vaping the capp. I rotate 70 cartos because I go through easily 7-8 a day, so since they are all filled with cappuccino, now when I get them partially used up I have been adding pumpkin spice to them, and it tastes really great mixed with the cappuccino.

That is exactly how I got the flavor that I have vaped for 7 mos. I liked the cappuccino from V4L, but then got some cappuccino from Gourmet Vapor, which I liked but it was just MUCH too strong. So I played around a little and arrived at using 15 ml of the V4L with 30 drops of the Gourmet Vapor....they are both 18mg. The V4L is 100% PG, the GV is an 80/20 PG/VG split. I have also done this with several flavors my husband vapes. The stronger flavor kicks up the weaker one just enough and you can arrive at all kinds of just right mixtures.

I also couldn't find any KR208 to 808 adapters or KR208 to 510 adapters....i couldn't find any adapter to put on a KR208, which is apparently what a Crown 7 e cig is, to use with anything else. Of course I could be wrong, there could be some one or some place out there that does sell such an item.

Hi, welcome. Sorry, I can't help. I know nothing about the crown 7. What I did find was a lot of mixed reviews on the crown 7 hydro starter kit, mainly the expense vs. performance. I found that it is a KR-208 device which does not look like it will be easy, if even possible, to find anyone else selling compatible cartos for. From what I read the people that have it, along with other different e cigs, say the atty is worth the price because it lasts much longer than other attys for the other devices, like a 501. I couldn't find anyplace to buy cartos for it. Seems like it is something proprietary where you are forced to deal only with them.

duh....that very first part should be "for an extended amount of time"....NOT for an extended amount of air....ugh. I really need more sleep.

breathing super cold air for an extended amount of air, or while shoveling snow or skiing can also cause lung aches and make your throat feel raw, doesn't necessarily mean it is anything dangerous. Holding my breath under water makes my lungs feel achy, but that isn't dangerous either. It is simply activity that my lung muscles aren't used to and you can fatigue organ muscles the same as any other. I haven't read anything like that either, unless it is a "review" meaning the report of one person, which of course means nothing. Breathing the air in a parking lot or on the road way, or in the city is dangerous, but we all still do it. Heck, breathing the air in your house isn't good for you either because of all the germs and airborne debris from cleaning products. I was reading a thing yesterday about the level of radiation in the average home from microwaves, electronics, computer monitors, cell phones, etc.

I do that even with food....like some stuff that I normally do not care for all that much, suddenly I like again. Then I don't like it again....some time later it seems appealing. I think a lot has to do with taste buds, body chemistry at any given times, and who knows what else.

I have six of the xl stick style batteries and had to get a PT because I could go through all 6 batteries in less time than it takes them to recharge. The smoketip batteries are minis and longs which I used up even faster than the XL's. I have two chargers, but they still take about 3 1/2 hours to charge. I now have the elegant easy from cig easy which is 750mah and lasting considerable longer than the stick type batteries. I am also planning on getting a couple of the XXL elegant easy batteries too, they are 1300mah so will last even longer. They both work with all my KR808 cartos, which I like just fine, so I didn't want to have to waste the hundreds of cartos I have already by switching to some entirely different style device. I smoked nearly 3 packs a day of cigarettes for 30 yrs. I really like using the PT, but they don't last very long and sometimes it is inconvenient to be tethered to the computer. The smoketip products are what got me to give up analogs, so I will be forever grateful.....I just would need like 5 starter kits with a power strip of chargers to use only their products. Plus the flavors I now like vaping are not theirs. But when I first started I was happy with their products...they are a great intro product, and you cannot go wrong with the lifetime warranty on the batteries, and they have free shipping too. But they don't sell liquid to refill the cartos, and I was using 5 of them a day which is rather expensive. I saved all the cartos though because common sense told me they had to be refillable, and cleanable, which of course they are. I am still using the cartos that originally came from them.....just not being filled with their flavors any longer.

The problem with him is that rather than informing people out of the kindness of his heart he is using the info that you can truly find out on your own and using it to make money for himself. There is no need to lie about the pharmceutical industry....or tobacco industry, the truth is bad enough.

Pretty much everything is customizable with the flavors...I too will keep buying. You just don't find THAT level of customer service everywhere!

Wouldn't even waste my time....this has nothing to do with lawmakers NOT knowing....this is an agenda that is for the benefit of tobacco and pharma industries and they have HUGE clout. This has nothing to do with safety or health or cancer. If it did they would have banned tobacco products, and we all know that hasn't and won't happen.

smoketip.com right? That was my very first starter kit. You must be a pretty light smoker, those are low mah batts and I could kill those in 30-45 mins MAX. But they DO stand by their warranty, which is nice. Cartos are decent flavors but only come in a few flavors, not the hundreds of flavors like are available. I liked it just fine except I was a much too heavy smoker for those batts. My husband is still using the batts, like 11 mos later. I did have one that died, and they promptly replaced it.