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Well I disagree with that assessment of the "tattoo" and flavor thing. I am TOTALLY going to decorate my wetbox. So what if I like a cool design on my equipment? What adults can't like a nice graphic or cool design????? And adults don't eat candy? ONLY kids do? HELLO we are the ones who BUY candy for our kids and selves. STUPID. It always amazes me when any of these idiots say "it is unknown" if it is probably safer than smoking. GIVE ME A BREAK....just by the combustion/burning being gone an idiot with the most basic understanding gets that ALONE that is already a HUGE improvement. Then this antifreeze thing.....why do they NEVER say it is the ingredient that makes your pet or child into the antifreeze NOT die or be harmed????? The e cig is probably not 100% safe, but neither is breathing the air outside, or inside for that matter. I used to use "Kaboom" cleaner. OMG, I can't tell you the problems I had.....that stuff burns your lungs SO bad. Same as bleach....or ammonia....horrible to breathe, and KNOWN to be dangerous, yet many of us toss cleansers around and spray cleaner, and we DON"T make our kids leave the house even THOUGH they are dangerous and that stuff becomes airborne. When is the last time you have seen an adult or child wearing a respirator walking through a parking lot??? Or while driving down the street with a window open? FULL of toxic chemicals from the exhaust. Or pumping gas at the gas station? How many parents make a child leave the area during and after using a product like hairspray? Or aerosol deodorant? Hell, using baby powder can cause serious respiratory problems for a baby if you use too much or they inhale it, which has happened and why any baby book tells you to be very careful with it. But NO ONE thinks any of these things should be banned. We are ADULTS, the e cigs are marketed to ADULTS and we should be permitted to purchase products we wish to use for whatever reason, and take the appropriate safeguards with ourselves and our children. Good God, look at fertilizer for grass and plants and weed killer, etc. You aren't supposed to let your pets anywhere near a fertilized patch of lawn until days later and after it has been thoroughly watered. You aren't supposed to be on it barefoot either for that matter. But is anyone trying to ban it? Of course not, and when you come down to it, that stuff is really sorta silly. It isn't like anyone will die from a lawn not looking perfect. It is purely to try and make something that naturally occurs NOT occur, or to stop it because WE have decided WE don't like it, LOL. To me, there is ONLY one conclusion to reach and it has nothing to do with health or safety....it ALL has to do with money, A LOT of money. It is getting tiring to read and listen to these silly reports, because they aren't reports....they are just nonsense. Don't get me wrong, I am NOT against these products being as safe as they reasonably can be, BUT even as things stand now, NO ONE could think they are anywhere NEAR as dangerous as smoking. Even if they were half as dangerous.....wouldn't that STILL be a reason to switch? It would be to me. Let's see I can use one thing that is half as dangerous as another and be equally happy doing both? That seems like a no brainer.....actually even more pleased with the item half as dangerous??? Yup, no brainer. Personally, I believe, if anyone ever DOES study e cigs in an objective manner, they will be found to be MUCH less dangerous than cigarettes and probably in the range of 98% safer.....that is GREAT as far as I am concerned. AND certainly from the standpoint of air quality for the people around us, I am betting MUCH MUCH MUCH better, and that alone is a great incentive. We already know by smoking that we weren't health nuts, but I DID always worry about what I was contaminating everyone else with. THAT always made me feel guilty, and I will be the first to admit, I was utterly selfish as far as that is concerned. I am not proud of that fact, so IF THAT was the ONLY positive, I would be glad. But I believe it is a VERY safe product, relatively speaking. I would bet anything that the air in an average Walmart parking lot is FAR more contaminated than what we inhale from an e cig.

Ich spreche Deutsch auch!!! sehr interessant......wir können viel Spaß haben! Anyway, when I mentioned my pumpkin spice from VR in chat I got slammed too, so don't feel bad. Hey, if someone else wants to spend more to think they are getting something better, I don't care. I can only go from my own experience...... i have bought liquid from MANY vendors....wide range of prices....all the way up to $12 for 10 ml....and THAT was my least favorite. Never had that peppery thing you are describing, thank God.....yuck, that must have been gross. Mostly we have experienced flavors that tasted like dirt, like just yuck, then the ones that are just so sweet you could choke on the sweetness with no identifiable flavor. Then flavors that are either weak, or so overwhelmingly strong that they are disgusting. The cappuccino that I vaped for so long was actually a weak cappuccino mixed with a very strong one, so I made it come out to something okay. For months it was the only thing i liked, and thought I really really loved it. UNTIL NOW and Vapor Renu. NOW I see there are some REALLY awesome flavors out there. Whatever they are doing with the flavoring, it is awesome, I love it....and my husband does too and normally he likes totally different stuff. He wants to try the fruit flavors.....he really likes fruity flavors. I have thought some were okay, but I just can't vape them for hours. I LOVE eating fruit, but vaping it, it is okay, not my favorite. Have you tried the waffle flavors? I am thinking those might be really good.....I think I might try those. Please let me know about the additives, do you recommend putting all of them in one flavor or what do you do? split them up? Just thinking about trying that maybe too. Maybe I won't. I have been SO thrilled with the flavors don't know if I wanna mess with it, ya know??? I am not a gamer but my husband is. He is also a professional musician and uses the name "Valkir".....he has an album and tracks on itunes, amazon, etc, under that name.....his website is valkirmusic.com......I only mention it because he got that name from some game too....some character. Don't even know what game, you might though. Anyway, yes, I get the idea of it, he said he isn't good at thinking of names either, and he chose that quite awhile ago. My name "juliery" I have been using online for 17 years, pretty much anywhere online where I need a user name and the guy I was seeing back then thought of it, because my name is julie and I was making jewelry at that time and so he thought of it, just like in a moment, and i could probably never have thought of it if I had a year or ten to think of it, LOL. I am just not creative with things like that. But I thought that was really clever and so I just kept using it. Anyway, there are MANY things where you do NOT have to pay a higher price in order to get a great product. And IF Vapor Renu's prices were the exact same as many of these other places, I would still order from then because I LOVE the flavors. Like the prices are just a bonus as far as I am concern. The flavors are GREAT, so I would be willing to pay for them. I am just THRILLED I don't have to go broke paying for them. My mom came here at 21 yrs old from Bremerhaven, Germany. She grew up during WWII and they lost everything when she was 7 yrs old and a bomb fell directly on their house. They were in their bomb cellar so they all were able to escape. They were covered in wet blankets and rags, ran up the wooden stair case on fire, but thankfully all got out. So I grew up too knowing the value of a dollar. We went every summer to Germany to visit my Oma and Opa and all my other relatives because my mom was the only one who left Germany. My grandparents lived in the house that they built with whatever they could find after their house was bombed. So the house was made of all different stuff but it looked cool. My Opa was a carpenter and built the house by himself and made most of the furniture too. It was the coolest place and the best memories I have were with them, in that house. But anyway, knowing what they went through and knowing how they lived, I know that the best doesn't mean the most expensive. Sometimes the things we like best do happen to be expensive, but I don't think just because something is expensive means automatically that it is the best or that I will prefer or like it the best. VR just proves that to me, yet again.

I wish I had been on the site before and seen you recommending it. I don't go with that you MUST pay more for something of good quality. Although I admit I was somewhat hesitant ONLY because their prices are SO much less than everyone else. But in this case, it just makes me think that everyone else's prices are too much. I have only been on VT less than a month, so I didn't see you saying anything about their liquid, or at least not that I recall. But you know how it is.....when you get more than one person saying something it usually gets people to pay more attention. I for one AGREE with you totally, even though I never saw anything previously about them. All I know is that of the 4 flavors ALL of them are good and we will use every single one of them, and reorder them too. I just LOVE how the white chocolate really enhances several other flavors we have PLUS it is great by itself....just really a nice creamy white chocolate flavor. So you DO recommend the additives? NOW you are making me want to try them. I know they are all over the counter type things that many people swear by and take daily. You think vaping them has helped? DO you get all of them in all your liquid or pick and choose what to put into various liquid. I do know what they do taking them in pill form, although I personally don't......but you feel they are beneficial vaping them too? MY ONLY thought about them was concern about the fact that it is adding more liquid into the mixture and that it could possibly dilute the flavor.......would you say it doesn't affect the flavor as far as that? Now you really got me thinking about this.....I don't believe for ONE MOMENT that there is ANY possibility of it harming anything. As far as that other stuff, I wouldn't even consider vaping any prescription drug, including the numerous meds I am on. They are made to be taken a certain way, like some are extended release and not to be taken out of the capsule or crushed, etc. Others are tablets because they are meant to dissolve over a certain period of time, etc. SO I don't think it would be a good idea to vape them or any other prescription med. Of course herbs and supplements are another matter. I am particularly interested in the vit C, B12 and ginseng. So would you recommend all 3 in one liquid or do you split them across diff flavors or what? Thanks for any info/help you can give me!!

I think that is precisely why it doesn't say anything about them....just flavorless additives....just went and looked because you got me wondering and trying to remember. So I guess they figure if you want that stuff and think it will somehow benefit you, you have that option....but they don't state anything one way or another. I don't think they would harm anyone, but I have no clue if vaping that stuff would be of any benefit. Which actually, it is smart they don't state anything one way or another about it. It is available if you want it, doesn't cost anything extra, and if you don't, you don't choose it. I don't really have an opinion about it, mostly because I just don't know enough about any of them to know if by inhaling them they would help anything. On the other hand, I am pretty sure they wouldn't hurt anything. So I suppose if someone wants the stuff, great, at least they have the option. Personally, I passed on it. I really like that you have the option of TH....THAT option I REALLY like! The medium is perfect for me. There is a little TH, but nothing that I think would make anyone cough, like some of the liquids from places are. A couple of them I got such a coughing fit from. I think the medium simulates the TH of cig smoke pretty well.....I smoked lights, not ultra, and not regular. So maybe someone who smoked a stronger cig would want something more, but for me the medium is good. Trying to totally set aside flavor, I have to say, the feeling in my throat, as far as TH, it really is like smoking the Doral Light 100's I smoked, before that smoked B&H Lights, but they just were too expensive! I think the medium TH is very similar to the effect of a light. Maybe the "smooth" TH would be like an ultra light, "medium" is like a light, "aggressive" like a regular, and "ultra agressive" like an unfiltered cig.....that would be my guess anyway.

I don't think VR's site says they are helpful....but if you look up those vitamins/additives, like B12 and ginseng, that is what the manufacturers of those things claim....not VR to the best of my recollection. I didn't get any additives. If I wanted to take that stuff I would go buy it in pill form. But I don't think they say they are healthy, BUT I have seen that on other sites that do claim it, and I know people get B12 shots, etc. I am not into all that stuff. I mean for heaven's sake I smoked 30 years, obviously I am not some health nut, LOL. I don't mind the site being non descriptive....better than all the other sites where nearly ALL of them claim to have the most or best flavors and all that filler type info nonsense. I don't know what company's food flavorings they use, but that MUST be the main difference in their liquid, because it is SO much better than anything else we have had. We have ordered from at least, God, I am guessing, like 20 different vendors as far as liquid, prefilled cartos, etc. NONE of the flavors have touched these. Of course I have had 4 of how many dozens, LOL. But I think getting 4/4 that we REALLY like is a vast improvement over the past. We have WAY more bottles of juice that we will NEVER use compared to those that we will. Like the le cig order...of the 5 we absolutely won't use 3 of them. Ick, they just suck but in a weird way....like totally lacking and flat flavors? I don't know how to describe it. Like both cherry and sour cherry, not anything crazy like when people say it tastes like robitussin, maybe like almost watered down. They were just like yuck. I mean we weren't like washing our mouths out, but they were just not good to us. My husband is using the red bull, but he said it is just okay, he just doesn't want to waste EVERYTHING we ordered. I got a 10ml bottle of cappuccion and I will just mix it with other cappuccino....it is very weakish. Plus the le cig bottles having NO labeling at all on them really stinks. Unless you only have one flavor how could you ever tell them apart? And who wants to have to keep them in the little boxes they come in. They are all premixed flavors, just nothing special at all about them. Especially when you figure they are more than 3 times the cost. But I figure with VR their site is simple, nothing flashy, fancy or anything.....and maybe that helps keep cost down too....they don't have to have an IT person maintaining it. I ordered from Ms. T's bakery the same night I placed my first order with vapor renu.....I have already gotten now TWO orders from vapor renu and STILL Ms T's order hasn't even shipped.....come on 10 days and still not shipped??? That is goofy. Thank God it was not something important or that I really needed, and I don't like that site at all....they have the stuff all broken down in categories, personally I think it is easier to find a flavor alphabetically. I guess it is probably to make the site more interesting or whatever but all I am interested in is a simple, easy to navigate site that I can find what I want quickly without a bunch of clicking around. Like on VR's site, you click on the renu liquids then drop down the flavor menu, pick options and done. I don't really care about all the needless "fluff". Anyway, my MAIN concern was the price.....my thinking was sort of along the lines you get what you pay for, now it just makes me think I have been overpaying, LOL. This was definitely not a case of getting cheap liquid just because the price was low. I was never into the experimenting with flavors, but oddly, now I am really wanting to try more of the flavors!!! Anyway, I know taste is a very personal thing, but for the price, it certainly wouldn't be a hardship to try the flavors. Put it this way, if you ordered 3 flavors and only liked one, you would STILL be ahead of the places that charge $7.99 for 10ml. At least with that price one can experiment and try different stuff and not worry about wasting a ton of money.

Thank you.....I really have never reviewed anything before, LOL.....trying to cover every possible thing someone could want to know!!! THAT is kind of hard, because you never know what someone else might want to know, LOL

Where to begin....Okay, the specs...all three flavors are 16mg, 80/20 PG/VG, Medium TH, and regular flavor. Vapor Renu has MANY flavors, and ANY that you don't see, all you have to do is fill out the contact/email form and Jason will add them onto the list. ALL liquids are mixed to order as you have numerous options.....4 diff levels of TH, 3 levels of flavor strength, 4 flavorless additives thought to be healthy for lungs etc., 5 diff vg/pg blends (and I am sure if you wanted some different combo you could request it from Jason), 6 diff nic strengths including 0mg. Okay, on to the flavors.....it also bears mentioning I am using them in an 808 carto, on a 750mah battery as well as a USB PT. White Chocolate.....AMAZING....it really tastes like creamy white chocolate! In the day I have had it, I have vaped it alone, FABULOUS, and mixed it with both the cappuccino and the pumpkin spice I already had from Vapor Renu. Mixed with the PS it is like Pumpkin Spice cheesecake, it is just really, really amazing. It is sweet, as one would expect, BUT not overpoweringly so. I ordered this for my husband actually, but he will have to fight me for it. The vapor production is great, TH is perfect (medium is what I ordered)...it is a nice TH without making my throat sore. I can already tell this will be my go-to flavor, especially to mix with things I normally only kinda like....this is fabulous mixed with other flavors, including the Double Dutch Chocolate, which I will move on to now. Double Dutch Chocolate....first let me say, the smell is awesome. I opened the cap and was like OMG, it smells just like chocolate syrup. There is NO doubt upon smelling this what it is. Again, vapor production is great...nice big clouds of vapor. This flavor, when used in a carto needs to absorb into the filler. When I first put it in, it was a bit strange....I could only taste the chocolate on the exhale. After it sat for a couple hours it was MOST definitely chocolate on the inhale and exhale, and it has a great after taste too. I have heard that chocolate is a hard flavor to reproduce, well this is it, it is definitely chocolate. I would say it is somewhere between a regular chocolate and a dark chocolate. TH is great, same as the others, since I ordered them that way. My husband is wild over this flavor as he has been looking for a chocolate/dark chocolate but never liked any of the others we have ordered from other vendors. He is a big time chocolate lover and promptly snatched the bottle away from me.....I guess in the hopes he would get to keep ANY of the flavors for himself, teeheehee. Cappuccino....first let me mention that Vapor Renu did not have this on their flavor list. I wrote asking if it was possible for them to make a cappuccino and Jason responded saying he had added it. As others have said, he will add anything you suggest (or at least the things that we know of being suggested). I should say right off the bat that I have been vaping cappuccino exclusively for almost 7 mos until a week ago. So I am very used to a certain kind of flavor for the cappuccino. HOWEVER, I am now over it. This cappuccino is like coffee with a dash of chocolate. It smells really good. It is not as sweet as the cappuccino I normally vaped and I am really liking that. I like sweet but I am not a big sugar person.....I don't like when it just tastes super sweet, and the sweetness is the predominant impression. I want a distinctive flavor, where I can tell them all apart from each other and identify the flavors without having to look at the label. I am sure most of you know what I mean....some vendors you really can't tell WHICH fruit you are vaping....or which sweet flavor. They just taste either fruity or sweet or some other general type thing. I also have to say I love the labeling on the bottles. You will never have to just remember what you ordered, everything about the liquid is clearly printed on the label, including the level of TH, pg/vg blend, of course the flavor and the nic level. The date it was mixed is also clearly noted. I have other bottles from other vendors that come in little boxes and the bottles aren't labeled at all. Who wants to have to keep the bottles in boxes just to know what the heck they are????? We made the mistake of ordering 5 flavors from LeCig, none of the bottles are labeled, so I had to write the flavors on with a sharpie BUT it rubs off. Totally stupid in my opinion. I shouldn't have to label the bottle, or keep putting it back into a little box. Goofy, never seen that. (We didn't like 3 of the flavors from LeCig, so they won't be an issue. The other two are okayish mixed with other things.) Anyway, we are going to order more from Vapor Renu.....like I am thinking the English Toffee? Heath Bar?? Mochaccino? There are SOOOO many flavors, it is hard to know where to begin....oh and FOR SURE gotta get more white chocolate RIGHT AWAY! All the liquid comes in 30ml bottles....$7.49 a bottle (can't imagine beating THAT price)....AND it is really even less because there is a coupon code for first time customers...15% off using the code "nujuice" and returning customers save 10% with the code "renu".....you just CANNOT beat the price. I am thinking it would probably cost me more if I mixed it myself.....especially with all the trial and error. There is a VERY small fee for a few of the options....if you increased EVERY single thing to the highest costing amount a 30ml bottle would be $9.74, still a GREAT price. Mine were all still $7.49 because I didn't need the most aggressive TH, or the triple flavor, etc. I can't even imagine triple flavor, the regular is plenty flavorful for me/us. So four flavors so far, four keepers....of course at that price an occasional miss I can deal with. This is the FIRST vendor where the flavors we have gotten REALLY TASTE (and smell) like what they are. I love that everything is custom mixed to order, made in the U.S.A and a phenomenal price, EXCELLENT customer service....all in all we are VERY happy and can't wait to order more!! NOTE: I am in NO way affiliated with this company and have nothing to gain by saying positive things. Just a VERY happy customer. I wasn't given these liquids, I purchased them, and will definitely be going back for more! Duh, and the website is www.vaporrenu.com.....in case you couldn't guess that, LOL. Happy vaping!

I don't think it will matter much where you go......every state is pretty much in the same boat. All of them are hurting as far as revenue and dreaming up any way to make money. Hell, did you see that BS in Hawaii??? Someone came up with the brilliant idea of making the birth records of Obama available to citizens for the fee of $100....to shut up birthers and to bring in some extra revenue. Of course if that will ever happen, who knows, because like everywhere else they have privacy laws where only a close relative can get a birth certificate for a person. So that would have to be set aside just for this one person. They said that within days of his birth the announcement was in the local paper, as they used to regularly do back then with all babies. No surprise that this is going on.....precisely why I was ambivalent about starting vaping. In fact the first time we saw it on the news it was the VERY first thing I said to my husband. I knew this would happen, there is just too much money in it, and therefore loss to the tobacco and pharma giants. They are too greedy to share revenue. AND I found several articles about the interests of the American Cancer Society.....if there was a cure or prevention for cancer in general, they are gone, as are many other organizations. Pharmas and all these "institutions" only exist as long as people are sick, keep getting sick, and remain sick. Of course they would have no problem with people being sick and being okay as long as they are providing the avenue/drug for that. It all sucks. Obviously the tobacco companies want us to keep using their products. It is all a load of BS, and it has nothing to do with anyone being healthy or keeping us safe or any of that other nonsense. It is ALL about money and power. Land of the free....yeah, free to make decisions within what they decide to allow. They can lie, and misrepresent facts left and right to further their agenda and gain public support from people who are actually silly enough to not look further, not research things for themselves. Then even if they left it up to the people, people are voting without knowledge or factual information. The sad thing is that usually people don't get interested and really start paying attention to how screwed up the system is until there is some issue they start caring about. Until then a great many people vote based on little to no information, or just on personality or some goofy message that SOUNDS good, but is really just fluff. And then people wonder why there is so much outcry, how the tea party has come to be, etc. People are sick of all of it. And you gotta ask yourself, if they would lie about something we know is INFINITELY safer than something else that is TOTALLY legal, out of sheer greed, favors owed, and personal agenda.....then how many other things are we lied to about? Or is there EVER any truth, about anything? I just find myself becoming more and more cynical the older I get and the more I see. Depressing.

This article was written in 09, but I have never seen it before and I have read A LOT of articles. Read it all the way through it is well worth it. SOMEONE with COMMON SENSE! And funny, he was saying this WAY before NY, or even IL last year.....he wrote this during the BS in NJ. http://seekingalpha.com/article/130595-big-tobacco-beware-the-next-big-story-stock-could-involve-e-cigarettes

Hey, Der Stadtschutz, are you a police officer or in some other way a civil servant of some sort? Just wondering with that name! Or are you protecting our little "city" here on VT??????

OMG, why did that post twice??? the first time it said it didn't post at all......Don't know if or how to remove it....oh well, just ignore it, LOL

Teeheehee, I know...that is how cappuccino is now on the list, got it today! Will write more later, but okay, I will say this.....The WHITE CHOCOLATE is AWESOME!!!! First of all, I ordered it for my husband because I am not even a fan of any chocolate or even white chocolate in real life. BUT OMG, it is freaking amazing. Oh, and then just for fun I tossed it in with Pumpkin Spice, then I tossed in some Cappuccino because heck, capp is great with anything in real life......HOLY smokes, it is soooooooooo good. I have been vaping it since noon when I thought to do it. Sooooooo good....but I would happily vape the white choc all on its own. DEFINITELY gotta get more of that or my husband will get NONE, LOL. IT is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo good. I really can't describe it, it sort of tastes like a bavarian creme and a very light chocolate mixed together? I could be TOTALLY off on that, but that is how it seems. But it is sweetish but by no means like vaping a pile of sugar which to me is how some flavors taste. How is the choc eclair??? that sounds like it would be good. Carmello I hated from another vendor and so far anything involving caramel at all I haven't liked. Anyway, I went down the list of flavors, one by one with my husband and we have a little wishlist going on....problem is I just don't even know in what order to choose, because I have a feeling that NOTHING from him will be bad, LOL. SOOOOOOOO fun to get an order where everything is different but you love them all for different reasons. I know a lot of people change flavors all the time, but that isn't what I am used to. I just got really stuck in a rut, because of fear, and it being SO difficult for me to even find ONE flavor I liked. I wouldn't even mind if we got a flavor from him that we didn't care for, at that price I could afford to put it in the discard/give away box. I wouldn't even mind. But so far, everything is pretty amazing. I just LOVE when that happens, because it is soooooo rare for me. I am a picky eater too, LOL. Not picky as far as variety of food I will eat, but I am VERY picky about how something is prepared and how it is served. I will NOT eat vegetables on the same plate with red meat for instance. TOTALLY grosses me out when the vegetables get into the meat juice, ICK. I can't even stand the sight of it. Okay, so now you know I am completely goofy, LOL!!!

That sounds really disgusting. All my liquid have nicotine, 16-18mg and so far NO pepper taste. Makes me feel like coughing just thinking of something like that. I got the 3 new juices from Vapor Renu, and I will review. Let me just wrap it up by saying OMG, I have found my new supplier. I don't think I will need to go anywhere else, because I can't imagine wanting any flavor I can't get from there.....and I am sure there are many flavors that I have yet to try that I will love being as I really only have 4 of them. But ALL of them are definite keepers...not going in the discard pile AND my husband likes them all too....except the Pumpkin Spice, BUT he doesn't like pumpkin that much to start with. I am just really blown away by the price, that they are so customizable and that he will basically make things you ask for even if it is not on the list currently. I am SOOOOOOO glad I FINALLY started trying different flavors again. I just had SUCH a hard time finding anything I liked before, that when I DID find one thing I liked, I just stuck with it and got almost afraid to try anything else. REALLY glad I stopped being ridiculous. I really can't get over that price and the quality of flavors. While they are sweet (at least the ones I have tried) they aren't disgustingly sweet like some of the others I have tried. While they are very flavorful, they don't have that overwhelming quality that I have also had a lot....like where they are SO strong they are just too strong. On the other hand my husband will only vape one of the five flavors we ordered from Le Cig (ordered the same night as the original VR order), and I will vape one, which I am not THRILLED with, but it isn't horrid when mixed with the Pumpkin Spice. We also ordered from Ms T's Bakery, that same night, we are on day 10 and STILL it hasn't even been shipped. Got an email Thursday evening saying the order was pending,......DAY EIGHT after ordering. I asked what the hell that meant, "pending" and they wrote back saying it is in the line up to be mixed. Give me a a break.....they either do not have enough help mixing OR they just really don't care. How on earth can it take 8 days to let someone know their order is now in the "line up to be mixed"??????? Sorry, but I find that ridiculous, and the prices aren't cheap or anything...just the average 7.99 for 10ml, which would mean 30ml would be $24....as opposed to VR that is less than $7 for 30ml with the coupon code. Anyway, I will tell you about the other VR flavors later. Really tired right now. Suffice it to say I will be regularly ordering from Vapor Renu, I just have NO complaints or even at criticism at this point.....all good things....off the chart customer service and amazing prices. I wouldn't say I am cheap, but why would I pay big bucks for something I don't like better than something that is less than 1/3 the price? I would have to REALLY BE IN LOVE to pay triple the amount, and with the amount I vape I hope that doesn't happen, LOL.

Cigeasy has the elegant easy, which is a KR808 750mah device, I have it, really great performance, can't complain at all. They also have the XXL elegant easy which is also a KR808 device 1300 mah. You can use the XXl on the same charger as the elegant easy. The USB charger is GREAT....plugged into the wall adapter the elegant easy goes from dead to fully charged in 2 hours, or sometimes 2 hours and 10 mins. I am a VERY heavy user, but even I can't use up the other battery in 2 hours! I am going to get one of the XXL batts, just because having the 1300mah, well who can complain about that. BUT Frank said to wait on ordering the XXL because he is going to get some in with the 3ml cartos,.....but both batteries TOTALLY work with any KR808 cartos of which I have hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds. IF I EVER kill them all, or get down to the last 100 or so I MIGHT change to another type of device, BUT it will still be something with cartos and it will have to have at least 1300 mah or it would be a downgrade which wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. Maybe by then I will exclusively be using mods. I just prefer a cylindrical looking device for use in public. Even if it doesn't LOOK like a cigarette, I think the average person can still relate to the idea better than a box mod looking thing. NOT that I really care all that much about what other people think, but I still think at this point I still feel more comfortable in public with a cylindrical style battery.

I was gonna say, numerous people complain about using one adapter decreasing power, using two would probably decrease power so much that it wouldn't be worth bothering. Better off just buying a more mainstream device that you can readily get stuff for. If you have both 808 and 510 cartos, I would pick one and go with it. I believe she said in the original discussion that the 808's don't work because they have a female connection and she needs male and the 510's wouldn't screw down to make the connection.

i believe they said they had already tried and it doesn't work, the threads on the 808 carto are female and needed to be male, but the 510's don't fit either because they won't screw all the way down to make a connection. I have a feeling it is some proprietary type thing, you can hardly find any info about it...other than the specs that say it is a KR802 device. It is like it is just off enough that it won't work.

Jason wrote last night and said the prices will remain that low through the year unless there is some dramatic change in the food flavoring industry. HOW cool is that?? That price is really incredible. I doubt I could mix it myself for cheaper. $7.49 for 30 ml??!!! I will be so interested to get these other flavors!! Can't wait!

Excuse my laziness, but are these different people than the original letters were emailed to last weekend? Or the same? I have no problem writing the same people, just wondering so I can compose accordingly.

Oh, I totally agree with you. He is NOT lying....IF he was lying you would know it. Plus almost EVERYTHING he says is backed up by readily available info. It is just that he does the digging. Now SOMETIMES the sources are a tad questionable, HOWEVER that doesn't mean they are lies. I think he is actually a very informed and smart guy. He is not a nutcase. You always have to consider who calls him a nutcase, half the time it is someone who has an interest in doing so. Obviously when he is writing against pharmaceutical companies, THEY will say he is a nutcase, or the FDA, they will say it too......but seriously, let's review the drugs the FDA has approved and later we find out that they cause serious birth defects, all kinds of illnesses even worse than the ones the meds were supposed to be treating, etc. Anyway, I haven't checked every piece of info he has ever put out there, BUT what I have seen is all supported by his sources, which he clearly states. He doesn't just use random quotes without saying where they come from. THAT is HUGELY important. And hey, he makes money because most people don't want to do the legwork themselves. But if you aren't willing, or don't have the time to find the info yourself, then his books are are certainly a better source of info than not getting it at all. AND you have to ask yourself, WHAT would be HIS incentive to lie??? He isn't funded by the tobacco industry, or any other industry that I am aware of.......they can't just MAKE him say what they want him to say.

I didn't think the 808's would work with the crown 7....not from anything I read. I hope you find something that does work, HOWEVER, it might be a proprietary product where ONLY THEIR stuff will work on it. All the Crown 7 reviews and discussions I found were mostly from late 07 and all through 08. So it seems like it was one of the earlier devices sold here. Regardless, if it helped you stop smoking then it already served a GREAT purpose!!!

I love my KR808 cartos, and the reason we bought that style device when we did was because there weren't cartos for the other devices that used the 3 piece design. Or if they were, they weren't widely used. I had no interest in messing with an atty, or in direct dripping every few minutes and back then cartos for those devices weren't an option. It wasn't until fairly recently they started making the cartos for pretty much everything. We still love our KR808 cartos and have TONS of them. I now have an elegant easy from cigeasy.com and it works GREAT. Sounds like it is like a riva only for 808's....750mah, available in brushed gold or black, I have gold, and has the nice rubberized button with a blue led light in the button....has the usb turbo charger and adapter, which charges a battery from totally dead to fully charged in 2 hours....charges faster than I can use the second battery. They also have the XXL elegant easy which is 1300mah, but it is only available in black, which I don't really care for. My jolly mods will also be fitted to work with our hundreds upon hundreds of 808 cartos, YAY, can't wait to get them. Even if we switched to an ego (or similar device), I would still use cartos, so that wouldn't make a lot of sense. I would probably get a riva for the extra mah, but I won't even consider it until our stash of 808's is significantly less. But I will still just use cartos, it would just be on a battery with different threads basically. I probably wouldn't buy an ego, because that would be like downgrading as far as battery life, which I am sure I wouldn't like, especially not with my insane vaping habits. I get a good 4 hours, sometimes 5 using the elegant easy 750mah. Much better than with the stick style batts that I was killing in 45 mins. I am hoping in another couple years vaping will be more common, that I will feel perfectly fine about using a mod in public....right now I just don't feel comfortable doing that. I think most people can relate to a cylindrical shaped device as being a substitute for a cigarette, but a box mod, I think would take more explaining, SHOULD anyone ask. Plus right now we get lots of questions from people who are interesting in quitting smoking, I think most smokers, when they first want to look into an e cig, are wanting something more cigarette-like.....I like when I am in public and people ask about it, gives me a chance to inform another person and with smokers hopefully help them at least think about other possibilities.

The PS and capp mix IS really good....sort of like having a cappuccino with pumpkin pie, minus a thousand calories, LOL

Really, I am telling you, it is NO big deal. It just looks like a big deal, but it is nothing......most of the time they are just sitting there, either boiling or soaking in cheap vodka, but not like I have to stand there supervising it. I mean you just use common sense, obviously you don't want the water to all evaporate, plus I want to keep a lot of water in there for them to move around in and really get it going through the filler material. I don't know what the heck kind of adhesive they use on the labels, but they do NOT come off, even after many times of going through this process. When I started cleaning them, THAT is when I started saving serious money because I was only buying the e liquid to fill them then. And the everclear once in awhile. I do the boiling every 4-5 refills, or when they start tasting funky....then the next go around after the next 3-5 refills or when they start being nasty again they get the boiling/everclear/more boiling treatment. It truly is no big thing. Of course they are sold as disposable.....if you were selling them, wouldn't you LOVE selling me hundreds of them a month vs using them over and over????

There just is no way to be safe.....or free from chemicals, they are everywhere. For crying out loud we EAT chemicals every day, we breathe chemicals every day. Of those the vaping is probably one of the least dangerous.

That is what I mean, I don't think he is lacking info. Doesn't it seems just a tad ridiculous that he and NO ONE on his staff has come across ANY of the info that all the rest of us can find in two seconds. He is just latching onto the fact that it hasn't been studied. So easy to say ban it till it is. And no matter what any of us say, he can still come back with that it hasn't really been studied, and NO ONE can say with certainty what is in all the products since there is no kind of regulation. I mean, he can be reading all these messages and boards and whatever limited studies have been done. I don't think it has anything to do with a lack of knowledge.....with ANY of these people.