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I didn't read thru even the entire first post in this thread, simply because I had to stop and look in shock and awe at one particular comment. You said you think that the FDA cares about us and is in this fight for the health of the people... This is complete BS. I'm not calling you out, suggesting that you're dumb or anything at all like that. But they certainly do not care about us. If they did, there is no conceivable reason for them to do what they've been doing(seizing shipments, spreading all kinds of lies and BS about e-cigs being dangerous or potentially dangerous). We KNOW for a fact that cigarettes are TERRIBLE for us, yet the FDA allows them to be sold. Meanwhile, here comes a much safer alternative, and what do they do? They say that because they haven't been proven completely safe(wtf is 100% safe anyway?), that they should be pulled from the market until they can be proven completely safe, despite the fact that cigarettes, in contrast, have been proven 100% NOT safe, yet they're allowed to be there. This is all about money and complaints from either the tobacco industry, the pharmaceutical industry, doctors who get kickbacks, or a combination of all three.

These are NOT marketed to kids. These are NOT nicotine-cessation devices. Despite the common belief that apparently adults don't like or deserve candy, THEY DO. These are also not drug delivery devices. What about 0 nic juice? And even WITH nicotine in the juice, if this is a drug delivery device, then so are cigarettes. So is a coffee mug. So is an aluminum can. We can be ridiculous about this and start calling everything that aids you in the ingestion, inhalation, or absorption of ANYTHING a drug delivery device, or we can just end the madness and give smokers a much healthier alternative to smoking that still allows them to get the nicotine they crave. It also allows them the option to actually quit because it addresses the hand-to-mouth action, it addresses the "smoke" aspect, and it provides lower levels of nicotine and even 0 nicotine juices. There are cigarettes with lower nicotine(or at least that's what I THINK "lights," which we can't call them anymore are), but there aren't any with ZERO nicotine. And now thanks to new legislature, if one were to try smoking lower nicotine cigarettes, it's much more confusing because we can't call them lights or mediums or whatever anymore. Gums, patches, and pills have a horrible success rate. Only the e-cigarette has a success rate higher than 20%(which is probably being incredibly generous to other methods of quitting), and it wasn't even intended as an aid for quitting. That's saying something. That's powerful. THAT is why all this crap is going on, because it is so great. The FDA sees this. The FDA knows this. Doctors know this. The pharmaceutical industry knows this, and so does big tobacco. The government wants e-cigs gone because they're losing tax money. The Pharmaceutical industry wants e-cigs gone because they're competition to the gums, patches, and pills that don't work. Big tobacco wants e-cigs gone because they're competition to cigarettes, and (some)doctors want e-cigs gone because it prevents them from getting as many dr. visits, prescribing as many drugs, and in turn, getting as many kickbacks. Basically, for every person that wants e-cigs gone, they have a financial interest in their removal from the market. It's THAT simple.

And every single thing I ever hear about the FDA points to the fact that they absolutely ARE NOT for our benefit. They don't want us to be healthy. Keeping us unhealthy is what keeps their wallets full. Same goes for doctors and pharmaceutical and insurance companies.

I just wanna say... It's not about making sure there's absolutely no risk. The lower the risk, the better, for sure... But whether or not vaping is 100% safe is completely irrelevant because we KNOW cigarettes are absolutely, 100% NOT safe, and people are still allowed to smoke.

Also, I wanna point out that I think people should have the freedom to do whatever the hell they want to their own bodies and lives.

I just wanna say... It's not about making sure there's absolutely no risk. The lower the risk, the better, for sure... But whether or not vaping is 100% safe is completely irrelevant because we KNOW cigarettes are absolutely, 100% NOT safe, and people are still allowed to smoke.

Also, I wanna point out that I think people should have the freedom to do whatever the hell they want to their own bodies and lives.

I didn't read thru even the entire first post in this thread, simply because I had to stop and look in shock and awe at one particular comment. You said you think that the FDA cares about us and is in this fight for the health of the people... This is complete BS. I'm not calling you out, suggesting that you're dumb or anything at all like that. But they certainly do not care about us. If they did, there is no conceivable reason for them to do what they've been doing(seizing shipments, spreading all kinds of lies and BS about e-cigs being dangerous or potentially dangerous). We KNOW for a fact that cigarettes are TERRIBLE for us, yet the FDA allows them to be sold. Meanwhile, here comes a much safer alternative, and what do they do? They say that because they haven't been proven completely safe(wtf is 100% safe anyway?), that they should be pulled from the market until they can be proven completely safe, despite the fact that cigarettes, in contrast, have been proven 100% NOT safe, yet they're allowed to be there. This is all about money and complaints from either the tobacco industry, the pharmaceutical industry, doctors who get kickbacks, or a combination of all three.

These are NOT marketed to kids. These are NOT nicotine-cessation devices. Despite the common belief that apparently adults don't like or deserve candy, THEY DO. These are also not drug delivery devices. What about 0 nic juice? And even WITH nicotine in the juice, if this is a drug delivery device, then so are cigarettes. So is a coffee mug. So is an aluminum can. We can be ridiculous about this and start calling everything that aids you in the ingestion, inhalation, or absorption of ANYTHING a drug delivery device, or we can just end the madness and give smokers a much healthier alternative to smoking that still allows them to get the nicotine they crave. It also allows them the option to actually quit because it addresses the hand-to-mouth action, it addresses the "smoke" aspect, and it provides lower levels of nicotine and even 0 nicotine juices. There are cigarettes with lower nicotine(or at least that's what I THINK "lights," which we can't call them anymore are), but there aren't any with ZERO nicotine. And now thanks to new legislature, if one were to try smoking lower nicotine cigarettes, it's much more confusing because we can't call them lights or mediums or whatever anymore. Gums, patches, and pills have a horrible success rate. Only the e-cigarette has a success rate higher than 20%(which is probably being incredibly generous to other methods of quitting), and it wasn't even intended as an aid for quitting. That's saying something. That's powerful. THAT is why all this crap is going on, because it is so great. The FDA sees this. The FDA knows this. Doctors know this. The pharmaceutical industry knows this, and so does big tobacco. The government wants e-cigs gone because they're losing tax money. The Pharmaceutical industry wants e-cigs gone because they're competition to the gums, patches, and pills that don't work. Big tobacco wants e-cigs gone because they're competition to cigarettes, and (some)doctors want e-cigs gone because it prevents them from getting as many dr. visits, prescribing as many drugs, and in turn, getting as many kickbacks. Basically, for every person that wants e-cigs gone, they have a financial interest in their removal from the market. It's THAT simple.

And every single thing I ever hear about the FDA points to the fact that they absolutely ARE NOT for our benefit. They don't want us to be healthy. Keeping us unhealthy is what keeps their wallets full. Same goes for doctors and pharmaceutical and insurance companies.

Technically, it's 306, but 306 and 510 are the same thing.

But just so you know, lorillard, the company who owns newport, now owns Blu. You may want to keep in mind the fact that by buying blu, you're supporting big tobacco.

That will probably never happen, and I don't want it to happen. In order for it to happen, PVs would have to require a prescription, meaning the powers that be determine whether we're allowed to use them or not. That should NEVER happen. Doctors won't ever tell you to do anything that's cheap. I can't remember the last time a doctor actually told me to eat an orange, drink orange juice, take zinc, or any vitamin/mineral, for that matter. It's always robitussin, nyquil, or some stupid prescription drug. They never promote cheap health aids, and they never promote preventive healthcare anymore. It's really very sad...

Don't get me wrong. It would be very cool for them to suggest vaping to help fight/prevent colds and flus, but NOT if it's done by prescription only, and it's very doubtful that this will ever happen.

I still smoke, but nowhere near as much as I used to. Some days I don't smoke at all, some days I'll have one, some days I'll smoke 5-10... It all depends on what's going on in my life. Cigarettes seem to be better at relieving stress than e-cigarettes.

I've never really... craved cigarettes, to be honest, except maybe when I'm stressed. I've always just enjoyed smoking and the feeling i get from the nicotine.

Oh, well what the crap. It wouldn't load the last time I was here. it was completely blank. Oh well, it's working now.

I didn't read thru even the entire first post in this thread, simply because I had to stop and look in shock and awe at one particular comment. You said you think that the FDA cares about us and is in this fight for the health of the people... This is complete BS. I'm not calling you out, suggesting that you're dumb or anything at all like that. But they certainly do not care about us. If they did, there is no conceivable reason for them to do what they've been doing(seizing shipments, spreading all kinds of lies and BS about e-cigs being dangerous or potentially dangerous). We KNOW for a fact that cigarettes are TERRIBLE for us, yet the FDA allows them to be sold. Meanwhile, here comes a much safer alternative, and what do they do? They say that because they haven't been proven completely safe(wtf is 100% safe anyway?), that they should be pulled from the market until they can be proven completely safe, despite the fact that cigarettes, in contrast, have been proven 100% NOT safe, yet they're allowed to be there. This is all about money and complaints from either the tobacco industry, the pharmaceutical industry, doctors who get kickbacks, or a combination of all three.

These are NOT marketed to kids. These are NOT nicotine-cessation devices. Despite the common belief that apparently adults don't like or deserve candy, THEY DO. These are also not drug delivery devices. What about 0 nic juice? And even WITH nicotine in the juice, if this is a drug delivery device, then so are cigarettes. So is a coffee mug. So is an aluminum can. We can be ridiculous about this and start calling everything that aids you in the ingestion, inhalation, or absorption of ANYTHING a drug delivery device, or we can just end the madness and give smokers a much healthier alternative to smoking that still allows them to get the nicotine they crave. It also allows them the option to actually quit because it addresses the hand-to-mouth action, it addresses the "smoke" aspect, and it provides lower levels of nicotine and even 0 nicotine juices. There are cigarettes with lower nicotine(or at least that's what I THINK "lights," which we can't call them anymore are), but there aren't any with ZERO nicotine. And now thanks to new legislature, if one were to try smoking lower nicotine cigarettes, it's much more confusing because we can't call them lights or mediums or whatever anymore. Gums, patches, and pills have a horrible success rate. Only the e-cigarette has a success rate higher than 20%(which is probably being incredibly generous to other methods of quitting), and it wasn't even intended as an aid for quitting. That's saying something. That's powerful. THAT is why all this crap is going on, because it is so great. The FDA sees this. The FDA knows this. Doctors know this. The pharmaceutical industry knows this, and so does big tobacco. The government wants e-cigs gone because they're losing tax money. The Pharmaceutical industry wants e-cigs gone because they're competition to the gums, patches, and pills that don't work. Big tobacco wants e-cigs gone because they're competition to cigarettes, and (some)doctors want e-cigs gone because it prevents them from getting as many dr. visits, prescribing as many drugs, and in turn, getting as many kickbacks. Basically, for every person that wants e-cigs gone, they have a financial interest in their removal from the market. It's THAT simple.

And every single thing I ever hear about the FDA points to the fact that they absolutely ARE NOT for our benefit. They don't want us to be healthy. Keeping us unhealthy is what keeps their wallets full. Same goes for doctors and pharmaceutical and insurance companies.

This is a high quality thread...

This has nothing to do with tests or health, QT. If they honestly cared about our health, aspartame wouldn't be allowed, cigarettes would have been outlawed a LONG time ago, pot would be legal, alcohol would be looked down on as much worse than pot(which it completely is. Oh, and cigarettes are worse for you than pot too. no 4K chemicals, just one that occurs naturally called THC), we wouldn't have Chantix, and they wouldn't be prescribing RAT POISON for people with low blood pressure. The FDA doesn't give a rat's *** about anybody's health. They only exist to protect corporations and control what's supposed to be a free market. The FDA is supposed to exist to protect us from harmful things in our food and medicine, but that's not at all what they do.

I have a friend who was told that he had high blood pressure, and it absolutely COULD NOT be cured with diet, exercise, or vitamins/minerals, or any kind of food change. He was told he absolutely would need drugs to fix it. Within a year his blood pressure is perfectly fine thanks to garlic, diet, and exercise. It is a FACT that garlic will lower blood pressure, but if you try to put that message out there, the FDA will be up your *** so fast you won't know what happened. That is a terrible thing, and it's simply not right. We all know here that it's a fact that e-cigs will help you quit smoking. However, the FDA doesn't want anyone saying so... Well why the hell not? If they're so interested in health, you'd think they'd want facts about health to be widespread and well known. The simple answer is they don't care about health. This isn't about them unsure about something and wanting to make sure it's safe at all. They're paid off by big pharma. If you don't believe that, then you're incredibly naive, and I have some snake oil I'd like to sell you, along with beach front property in Siberia.

If the FDA were really out for our best interest, they'd want good health information like that to be spread around so we can all stay healthy. However, if we're healthy, we don't need drugs, and if we were smart, we wouldn't eat processed food. They don't want any of that. They are out to protect food and drug corporations, plain and simple. If they gave a crap about us, there never would have been any reason to go against e-cigs in the first place.

Oh by the way, the wonderful FDA apparently wants to regulate vitamins now too, and just the other day I saw something on the news that basically said vitamins are bad and that you need to consult your doctor before taking any because they might interfere with medication... What a crock. Not everybody takes medication on a regular basis, and there's no reason why anyone should. It's not normal, and it means you're not healthy. Health is achieved by eating right, not popping pills. Pills certainly have their place, but I think they should only be a last resort unless you absolutely can not live without them. I avoid them as much as possible because they cause other health problems, and there's almost always an alternative.

I know, there are illegal drugs, but that doesn't stop people from getting or doing those either, but that's not the point. I don't want to be limited to some crappy tobacco flavored or zero nic juice, and I don't feel like dealing with stupid cops and fines if I decide to overstep whatever boundaries the FDA wants to put in place. I'm an adult, damnit, and I like fruity and candy flavors too. I don't feel like having to deal with all the bs that comes along with doing illegal drugs just for some damn nicotine, and I don't wanna pay thru the nose either.

Well technically there is a chocolate chip juice, except it's just called chocolate, cuz that's all chocolate chips are. Unless, of course, you mean a chocolate chip COOKIE flavored juice, that is...

My theory is people charge so much for juice because they just love money. Try www.vaporrenu.com. They have 30ml bottles for like 7 bucks, and their fruit, candy, and soda flavored juices are amazing, unless you don't like sweet tastes. The only negative thing I have to say about Vapor Renu is their juices have pretty much NO throat hit, so if you like throat hit, you probably won't be satisfied with their juice.

I would also like to recommend VapeRite(www.vaperite.com). Their juices are very close in flavor to Vapor Renu's, but they have some things Renu doesn't have, and they're a little more expensive(Someone sent me free samples, I didn't actually buy from them so I couldn't tell you how much they charge. I just know they're more expensive than Vapor Renu, as pretty much every juice vendor is). I personally love the Lemonade/Lemon Drop, Blueberry Cheesecake, and Cake Batter. I haven't tried any other juices, but these 3 were AMAZING.

Then there's also www.provape.com. They're pretty expensive too, like 3X the price of Vapor Renu. However, the 3 flavors of theirs that I tried were good. I tried Jamocha Shake, Cheesecake, and RY4. The Cheesecake flavor was a little weak for me, but you can request extra flavor for free. The nice thing about provape is that, at least to me, when I vape their juices, I feel like I'm smoking a cigarette more than I do with any other liquid I've tried.

As far as juice goes, taste varies greatly from one person to another, so a juice one person likes won't necessarily be one that you like. However, don't think that you need to pay a high price to get juice you'll like. Lots of people will tell you that you get what you pay for, but I don't buy that. Vapor Renu is by far my favorite juice vendor, and the Riva costs half of what an Ego will cost you, yet the Riva has higher voltage, higher mah in the standard battery, and the button never gets stuck like it does on the Ego.

Well technically there is a chocolate chip juice, except it's just called chocolate, cuz that's all chocolate chips are. Unless, of course, you mean a chocolate chip COOKIE flavored juice, that is...

Yay So happy for you. Have fun and Vape on!

Well technically there is a chocolate chip juice, except it's just called chocolate, cuz that's all chocolate chips are. Unless, of course, you mean a chocolate chip COOKIE flavored juice, that is...

Well technically there is a chocolate chip juice, except it's just called chocolate, cuz that's all chocolate chips are. Unless, of course, you mean a chocolate chip COOKIE flavored juice, that is...

Well technically there is a chocolate chip juice, except it's just called chocolate, cuz that's all chocolate chips are. Unless, of course, you mean a chocolate chip COOKIE flavored juice, that is...

Well technically there is a chocolate chip juice, except it's just called chocolate, cuz that's all chocolate chips are. Unless, of course, you mean a chocolate chip COOKIE flavored juice, that is...

Riva > Ego... same basic device, button doesn't get stuck, half the price, standard battery has an extra 100mah and puts out a little over 4 volts instead of the Ego's 3.7.

And the Megalodon blows both of them out of the water...

My theory is people charge so much for juice because they just love money. Try www.vaporrenu.com. They have 30ml bottles for like 7 bucks, and their fruit, candy, and soda flavored juices are amazing, unless you don't like sweet tastes. The only negative thing I have to say about Vapor Renu is their juices have pretty much NO throat hit, so if you like throat hit, you probably won't be satisfied with their juice.

I would also like to recommend VapeRite(www.vaperite.com). Their juices are very close in flavor to Vapor Renu's, but they have some things Renu doesn't have, and they're a little more expensive(Someone sent me free samples, I didn't actually buy from them so I couldn't tell you how much they charge. I just know they're more expensive than Vapor Renu, as pretty much every juice vendor is). I personally love the Lemonade/Lemon Drop, Blueberry Cheesecake, and Cake Batter. I haven't tried any other juices, but these 3 were AMAZING.

Then there's also www.provape.com. They're pretty expensive too, like 3X the price of Vapor Renu. However, the 3 flavors of theirs that I tried were good. I tried Jamocha Shake, Cheesecake, and RY4. The Cheesecake flavor was a little weak for me, but you can request extra flavor for free. The nice thing about provape is that, at least to me, when I vape their juices, I feel like I'm smoking a cigarette more than I do with any other liquid I've tried.

As far as juice goes, taste varies greatly from one person to another, so a juice one person likes won't necessarily be one that you like. However, don't think that you need to pay a high price to get juice you'll like. Lots of people will tell you that you get what you pay for, but I don't buy that. Vapor Renu is by far my favorite juice vendor, and the Riva costs half of what an Ego will cost you, yet the Riva has higher voltage, higher mah in the standard battery, and the button never gets stuck like it does on the Ego.

My theory is people charge so much for juice because they just love money. Try www.vaporrenu.com. They have 30ml bottles for like 7 bucks, and their fruit, candy, and soda flavored juices are amazing, unless you don't like sweet tastes. The only negative thing I have to say about Vapor Renu is their juices have pretty much NO throat hit, so if you like throat hit, you probably won't be satisfied with their juice.

I would also like to recommend VapeRite(www.vaperite.com). Their juices are very close in flavor to Vapor Renu's, but they have some things Renu doesn't have, and they're a little more expensive(Someone sent me free samples, I didn't actually buy from them so I couldn't tell you how much they charge. I just know they're more expensive than Vapor Renu, as pretty much every juice vendor is). I personally love the Lemonade/Lemon Drop, Blueberry Cheesecake, and Cake Batter. I haven't tried any other juices, but these 3 were AMAZING.

Then there's also www.provape.com. They're pretty expensive too, like 3X the price of Vapor Renu. However, the 3 flavors of theirs that I tried were good. I tried Jamocha Shake, Cheesecake, and RY4. The Cheesecake flavor was a little weak for me, but you can request extra flavor for free. The nice thing about provape is that, at least to me, when I vape their juices, I feel like I'm smoking a cigarette more than I do with any other liquid I've tried.

As far as juice goes, taste varies greatly from one person to another, so a juice one person likes won't necessarily be one that you like. However, don't think that you need to pay a high price to get juice you'll like. Lots of people will tell you that you get what you pay for, but I don't buy that. Vapor Renu is by far my favorite juice vendor, and the Riva costs half of what an Ego will cost you, yet the Riva has higher voltage, higher mah in the standard battery, and the button never gets stuck like it does on the Ego.

This probably isn't the place for this, but oh well. MastiffMom, if males are "much more emotionally fragile," why do females attempt suicide more than males do? I don't buy that one bit. I see and hear girls/women freaking out and crying over stupid crap all the time that guys will just shrug off or not be bothered by at all. Sorry, but that's a crock. There is far too much evidence in support of the exact opposite.

Now, that being said... I'm sorry for your loss, Tags. It's never fun when you lose someone you love and care about. I once lost a friend to a drug overdose. I hadn't seen him for probably a week or more before he died. He was really heavy into drugs, beyond what I had any clue about. He talked to me about suicide before, but I didn't get the impression he would actually do it. He told me not to worry about it, and that he was fine at the end of the conversation. From what I understand, he was into some really hard stuff pretty bad, and he decided to admit himself to rehab. I don't know if at the last minute he changed his mind and decided to end his life, or if he wanted one last hurrah the night before rehab started and accidentally took too much. I have no idea. Only he knows, but he's gone now. He's been gone for several years, and I'll never forget him or stop wishing I could see him again. I'd never felt so much pain in my heart in my entire life before or since I lost my friend. I can't even imagine what it must feel like to lose a spouse. I hope I never have to find out...

I'm not going to pray because I don't believe it will do any good. But I want you to know that, like everybody else who responded here, I'm here for you to talk to. I hope you and your family can get thru this rough time. That goes for both of you two, Tags and Sharon. I don't know how much help I can really be, as I tend to look at things in a more cold, logical sort of way, but I'll gladly do what I can.

MastiffMom wasn't the original poster, and therefore not the one who is "obviously going thru a really rough time." Try again, egoluvr.

"U.S. Suicide Statistics (2001)

Attempted Suicides

There are approximately 750,000 suicide attempts each year.

An estimated 5 million living Americans have attempted suicide.

More females attempt suicide than males.
(3 female attempts for each male attempt.)"

http://www.suicide.org/suicide-statistics.html


Anyway, how about instead of being so negative and giving me hell for something I said that you don't like, maybe you could appreciate the fact that I'm trying to sympathize with someone dealing with something difficult. And excuse me for not sharing the same religious beliefs that the rest of you seem to. Just because I choose not to pray doesn't mean I don't care. If I didn't care, I wouldn't have posted here in the first place.