Adversarious1

I agree on on plastic affecting the taste. It's one thing to transfer liquid from a glass bottle to a 10ml or 15ml needle bottle for "on the go" moments. It's something else entirely to bottle it, ship it and store it in plastic bottles for a longer period of time. To use another beer philosophy, "Never drink anything out of an aluminum can that also comes in a bottle. Never drink anything out of a glass bottle that also comes in a keg." I use the same philosophy with eliquids - never vape anything from a plastic bottle if it is available in a glass bottle. In my opinion, the difference in price isn't worth the potential sacrifice in quality. In larger volumes I have seen glass bottles for about $0.30 each and plastic for $0.22 each. That includes child resistant dropper caps for the glass bottles and child resistant/tamper proof caps for the plastic bottles. If I have to pay $0.10 more for a 30ml bottle of eliquid because it comes in a glass bottle, so be it. But I also clean and re-use/recycle my glass bottles for other purposes (such as mixing paints for airbrushing), so ultimately that extra fee is worth it to me.

Just for clarification, you are only running the stainless coils in wattage mode, correct? You shouldn't be running the nickel in wattage mode, only in TC.

Some of us prefer not having pics. It creates plausible deniability, just in case. Kind of like "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas".

Cloud pic...

My 2 cents with my "business" hat on, but also with some consumer based experience... Having vaped Eden's Empire already and getting ready to vape Crown Jewels (with plans of trying the rest of the line in the not too distant future), I would put Black Label up there with the likes of the "top shelf" brands such as ANML, Cosmic Fog, Charlie Noble and others. I consider it a premium e-liquid and as a consumer I would expect it to be priced as such. I think a regular price of $19.99 is a fair price for it. B&M's have overhead beyond just rent and would likely charge more to offset those costs. For premium e-liquids I like to follow my beer/booze philosophy: I drink Miller Lite or Jack Daniels for quantity, but I drink Guinness or Woodford Reserve for quality. With e-liquids, I do vape my own or I vape a local house blend for quantity, but every once in a while I need that quality. That isn't to say my "quantity" choices aren't any good. If they weren't I wouldn't vape them. But I can definitely tell the difference between a local house blend vs. a premium e-liquid.

Two TFV8 Baby Beasts and some VT Black Label Crown Jewels. All from the VT Store. Thanks @Christopherfor getting the Baby Beasts in the store and for the Crown Jewels. Reviews of the liquid and the tanks (each tank running one of the included coils) will be forthcoming in the not too distant future.

My favorite juices come from a bottle of PG, a bottle of VG, some flavoring and some nic base with a TLC thrown in. Wait a minute...who am I kidding? There's no TLC. In all seriousness though, the majority of the juices I vape that I don't make come from a local B&M that makes their own. They are more of a juice shop with some vape supplies for sale rather than a vape shop with a few juices for sale. They sell in 35ml. 60ml and 120ml. Prices are $10, $18 and $30 respectively. I usually grab the 120ml if they have one of my flavors in stock as it's the most bang for my buck unless they have 35s on sale, otherwise I get the 35ml. Never the 60ml because that is the highest cost per ml. Not that $18 for 60ml of eliquid is a lot of money...lol. Completely unrelated to the topic, but as an interesting aside since I'm mentioning their bottle sizes, I have had friends look at me questioningly over the 35ml bottles vs. 30ml thinking I was mistaken. Nope, I'm not. The owner of the store/company explained it to me once upon a time. When he first started doing DIY eliquids he would mix it a liter at a time and share with friends. Some wanted it in 120ml, some wanted 60ml and some wanted 30ml. He found when using 30ml bottles, he always ended up with a few ml left over. By bumping the small bottles up to 35ml rather than 30ml he was able to get 4x120ml, 4x60ml and 8x35ml per liter with none left over. After he started his business he stuck with that formula and has continued selling in 35ml bottles.

@GUNNY 68, If you have a chance and haven't done so already, read my review on the TFV8. Believe it or not the T8 coil that comes installed in the tank vapes really nice at 120W. It isn't a hot vape by any means, even at that wattage. However; you can still get nice clouds even in the 50-60 watt range with it. But I honestly don't think you will be disappointed at 120W unless you are running a juice that is really high in PG or really higher than 3-6mg in nicotine (neither of which I recommend, but it's a personal preference). I have been vaping at 120W with the T8 coil in one tank and 100W with the Q4 coil in a second TFV8 and have been loving both of them.

Welcome to Vapor Talk @kalijenniferand @Austin69956

Consider it verified. I have been using both the .3 and the .4 ohm SS Triton coils in my Triton V1 exclusively for a while now. FWIW, I've also moved away from Ni and Ti because of the advantage SS has with being able to be used in either TC or power mode.

You may have talked me into it Tam. I have to get a couple of things worked out but... Warning...turn down the volume if you don't like loud, aggressive guitar intros a la Five Finger Death Punch. If you do, then crank it up!

Welcome Louis, and congrats on making that decision to give up smoking. Always refreshing to see someone from the other side of the pond around here as it gives many of us a different perspective on how things concerning e-cigarettes are going in Europe.

I'll second what @Tamsaid and I'll also agree Microsoft is being paranoid. Also, I apologize in advance, but with Tam saying the The Whitney group really are who they say that are...well...you get the idea.

Greeting Chinis. Welcome to VT and congrats on getting off the analogs. To answer the first of your questions, yes, that mod will work with the Arctic tank and .5 ohm coils. The minimum 0.2 ohms you see simply means that is the lowest that mod can fire. There are some tanks out there that use coils that are less than .2 ohms (for example the TFV8 has .15 ohm coils). Would it be worth the money is a much more difficult question to answer because so much about vaping is subjective and is really dependent upon each individual person's vaping style and preferences. The best answer would be to answer your question with a question: Is it worth it to you? I haven't used it, but I haven't heard anything negative about the mod. For the price, unless you have your heart set on purchasing from that specific B&M or there is another reason you can't wait for a few days, you can get it online with an extra battery AND shipping for less money. Extra batteries are never a bad thing. To answer that second question purely from my point of view no, it wouldn't be worth it. Even when I was a brand new vaper, as soon as I wanted to graduate from my starter kit to something more advanced, I wanted to go with something that provided me with what I wanted immediately, but also left me with room to grow even if I never ended up vaping at more than 20 available watts. I wanted the option there. I would also steer clear because of the proprietary battery. Granted, it is replaceable (unlike many mods with built in batteries) and you can buy extra batteries all day long, but at $23 Canadian per battery, I would rather go with something that uses one or two (or even three) 18650 batteries and offers room to grow. Again, that is me. There are plenty of people who never vape higher than 20 watts let alone 50 watts and there are people who are perfectly content with having mods that allow them to plug in a micro USB cable and charge it. They don't want to have to fidget with external batteries, battery chargers, ensuring batteries stay together, etc. and that is 100% perfectly acceptable. That's one of the many beautiful things about vaping (aside from providing many of us an alternative way to get our nicotine that doesn't involve combustible tobacco, questionable medication, gum that causes heartburn, lozenges that taste bad or patches that irritate skin). There is virtually an endless number of options available to suit every vaper's personal taste.

Maybe I can put a bag over my head and be "The Unknown Vaper"

Still on my soapbox. The FDA needs to go back and fix their FAQ. The above answer to the above question is incorrect as of August 16th. I started this topic last week with a link to a story specifically about a federal judge ruling that a label change in and of itself does not constitute a distinct product and does not require FDA approval if only the label has changed.

And if somebody has a different interpretation or a better understanding of the process, feel free to correct me. I promise I won't be butt-hurt if I'm way off base with my interpretation of things.

It's a slow day at work. Meetings were cancelled and as a result I have a lot of time on my hands. Having a lot of time on my hands leads to boredom. Boredom leads to Todd (Me - Adversarious1) to either getting into trouble or getting on soapboxes and dissecting the heck out of things. So I've been sitting here reading and re-reading this FAQ from the FDA that @Christopher shared and I have been picking things apart in my brain. The FDA is talking out of both sides of their mouth in their OWN answers in their OWN documents. I think they are creating an intentional spin to confuse rather than clarify. My case in point: • a premarket tobacco application (PMTA) = in the low to mid hundreds of thousands of dollars (around $117,000 to around $466,000), not in the millions of dollars described by some others That is only one small portion of the FDA response to the question, "What are the costs associated with submitting an application?" I have a huge issue with the way the FDA phrased that. The "not in the millions of dollars described by some others" is used way out of context on the part of the FDA and could potentially lead people (manufacturers, particularly e-liquid manufacturers) into a false sense of security. I follow a number of different advocacy groups and I have not seen a single e-liquid manufacturer claim that a single PMTA fee is in the "millions of dollars". Many have, however, stated it would cost them "in the millions of dollars" to go through the PMTA process for their entire line of e-liquids. According to the next excerpt and my understanding, the FDA directly contradicts the "not in the millions of dollars" statement in a portion of the answer to the very next question that was addressed in the FDA's faq. Each tobacco product application is a unique situation. However, generally speaking, a manufacturer could submit one premarket application for multiple tobacco products with a single, combined cover letter and table of contents for each product. However, when FDA receives a premarket submission that covers multiple, distinct new tobacco products, we intend to consider information on each product as a separate, individual PMTA. Where the same information applies to multiple products, it should be noted. FDA considers each ENDS product with a differing flavoring variant or nicotine strength to be a different product. According to page 94 of the Economic Analyses document that is linked above, there are two costs associated with e-liquid PMTAs. One is listed as "PMTA, E-liquid, Initial Submission (Year 2)" and the other is listed as "PMTA, E-liquid, Years 3-20". I don't know and I'm not going to pretend to know what the difference is without reading through the entire document, but the second statement highlighted above almost directly contradicts the first. As I understand it, that fee is the fee for each e-liquid. So if a manufacturer offers a single e-liquid flavor in a single strength (we'll use 0 nicotine for sake of argument) in a single size (let's say 30ml, again for the sake of argument), then the absolute lowest fee that manufacturer would be looking at is $117,486. Yet if a manufacturer offers e-liquid in six different flavors, each flavor in a single ratio and each of those flavors is available in 4 different strengths for a total of 24 different e-liquids (provided the liquids were only available in one size), then 24 different PMTAs that would need to be submitted because, in their own words, they consider them different products. That makes the figure jump to $2,819,664. A more extreme example is one of my local B&M's. Even though they sell vape hardware and accessories, their primary business is e-liquids. They currently have 121 different flavors of e-liquid. Yes, 121. 21 of those flavors come in multiple PG/VG ratios, which, again according to the FDA, qualifies them as different products. So we are up to 142. Each and every flavor/ratio is available in 6 different nicotine strengths; 0 nic, 3mg, 6mg, 9mg, 12mg and 18mg. Each flavor at each strength is available in three sizes – 35ml, 60ml and 120ml. This may be where the "Substantial Equivalency" portion comes into play; I'm not sure. For sake of ease (and my sanity) I'm only going to count the possible flavor/nicotine contents. 142 flavors times 6 strengths comes out to 852. Multiply that by $117,468 per application and you are looking at a whopping $10,008,736. Yes…over TEN MILLION DOLLARS! That is at a single size per flavor. And then you have the most extreme case I could think of – Fadora Vapor. For those who have ordered from @Compenstine before, we know he will essentially custom mix each order. I don't even want to try to figure out all of the possible combinations on the Fadora Vapor site, but the possible options on a single flavor in the basic line came out to 704. That's right; 704 possible combinations of a SINGLE flavor. There are over 50 flavors listed on the Fadora Vapor website and I know some of those flavors exceed 704 possible combinations because they are offered in more PG/VG ratios and/or more nicotine strengths. Plus he offers the option of adding flavoring and/or extra sweetner for his flavors. So for the sake of argument, let's round it down to 700 possible combinations of each flavor and limit it to 50 flavors total. That would be 35,000 different PMTA's according to the FDA because it would be 35,000 different products. Multiplied by $117,468 and you're looking at over $4.1 BILLION dollars in PMTA fees. Yes...BILLION! So the FDA's assertion that a PMTA is not in the millions of dollars is complete and utter bullit...err, hogwash. I'll get off my soapbox for now, but stand by to stand by because I hear another soapbox calling my name.

Hmmm... Maybe I SHOULD get over being camera shy and start putting the "big guys" to shame on YouTube. I follow a lot of them and respect their reviews (and what many are doing for advocacy), but I have always found many of the reviews lacking in that they don't go into the nitty-gritty details of every function of every device they review. It's usually a "yeah, I like it. It produces clouds for days" for devices or "you'll like the flavor" for juices. No explanations of the ins and outs or the subtle nuances of different flavors. Hmmm...

Expensive, convoluted and in reality just a complicated version of the rhetorical BS answers they have been giving from day one. I'm willing to bet the studies they looked at are studies conducted exclusively with combustible tobacco. What about studies solely conducted on nicotine, without the introduction of combustible tobacco (and therefore without the tar and other carcinogens that go along with it). I know of at least one study that was conducted, likely many more, that focused specifically on nicotine without the actual tobacco. I know about this study because I know one of the people who was directly involved with it. She conducted the study as part of her Masters degree in Neuroscience. I have spoken to her at length about nicotine without tobacco and in her professional opinion, though highly addictive and deadly in high enough quantities, she agrees that nicotine in and of itself presents minimal risk to the end user as long as the delivery method is safe and the nicotine is delivered in a diluted manner. In other words, while she would prefer to see people give up nicotine altogether, she is a proponent of using ENDS devices to help people quit smoking combustible tobacco, which is the REAL danger. Unfortunately her work with nicotine is focused on the effects on the brain and not the effects on the cardiovascular system, so she can't be called upon as a subject matter expert in the area. Basically we all know the FDA is using incomplete and/or inaccurate information to support the spread of misinformation to the public at large. I'm curious to know if various advocacy groups and people involved with various lawsuits are even aware of the existence of nicotine studies where the nicotine was conducted without the presence of combustible tobacco.

Not gonna happen, Tam. Ya'll don't wanna see my ugly mug all over Youtube [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] But Thank You for the compliments [emoji4] Sent from my heart using the Vapor Talk App. OK...OK...I'm kidding. I have no heart. But I did use the Vapor Talk Mobile App.

I recently found myself wanting a new regulated box mod with at least 150 watts in power mode and TC (temp control). Although I only use TC occasionally with a handful of specific liquids, I am slowly switching to all SS wire for my DIY coils and SS coilheads (when available) for my tanks because it can be vaped in both power and temp mode. I looked at several that mods that were within my budget and finally settled on the Sigelei Fuchai 213. I know Sigelei caught a lot of flak over their original 213 in that it supposedly didn't go all the way to true 213 watts, but the highest I vape is between 125 and 150 watts, depending on the coil I'm using. Yet I kept thinking back to my first Sigelei, a 100w +. Even though it was simple in operation, that thing has been and continues to be a workhorse. It is on the verge of having to be put out to pasture because it has been knocked over and knocked off my workbench more times than I can count, but even after a year and a half it is still chugging along. Before settling on the Fuchai 213 I looked at others. When it comes to mods I typically don't make purchases for the sake of making purchases. I like to go to shops and actually look at them. I like to hold them and see how they feel in my hand. I like to screw a tank or RDA onto the 510 connector to see how good the threads are. I like to click buttons. Basically, I want to know if I'm going to like a mod before I buy it. Nobody wants to have something that ends up being relegated to the Vape Graveyard because it ended up not being comfortable or because it just didn't feel right in their hand. I'll admit it was a tough choice. I looked at many but it really came down to two that were competing for my dollars; the Sigelei Fuchai 213 and the Wismec Reuleaux RX200S. The thing that ultimately did it for me was the fact that the RX200S uses three 18650 batteries. Some may like that. In all honesty, I actually like that too, but it would have actually ended up being more of an inconvenience than I wanted to deal with at the moment due to the way I vape. [NOTE – This was BEFORE I knew the RX 2/3 was being released. I'm still thinking about one of those as well.] The Size – Size was one of the deciding factors when I was narrowing down my decision. I wanted something small enough to easily slip into a pocket and not be uncomfortable but at the same time big enough to feel it's presence in my hand. Both the Fuchai 213 and the RX200S fit that bill. The Fuchai 213 ended up being just a bit taller but was smaller in overall dimensions compared to the RX200S. The Fuchai is 88mm tall x 29mm wide by 44mm deep vs RX200S at 84mm tall x 40mm wide x 50mm deep. I included a couple of pics to give you an idea of the size. The pics are of a Sigelei Fuchai 213 next to a standard 18650 battery case. The Features – The Sigelei Fuchai 213 is a regulated box mod operated by two 18650 batteries. It features an aluminum body, plastic but sturdy buttons, a spring loaded 510 connector and is available in four colors: black, gunmetal, blue and orange. The display is a .91" OLED display that may sound a little small at first, but it has proven to be more than adequate and is bright enough to read outdoors on a sunny day. It also displays a lot of information. It has a micro USB port that is supposed to be for updates that haven’t been released yet, but can also be used for charging the batteries. The battery compartment is accessed via a small cover at the bottom that swings out of the way, This is a feature I have found to be rather convenient for when I'm on the move, as I don't have to worry about holding on to or keeping track of a separate cover as I change batteries. The .91" OLED screen displays all of the information you would expect a screen to show: mode, current wattage/temperature, ohms, volts, amps and battery life. Additionally it displays the current voltage of each battery separately. Resistance range is from .1 to 3 ohms. Wattage is from 10w – 213w. Temperature range is from 100C – 300C/200F-570F. Included in the box with the Fuchai 213 are the standard user manual, warranty card, authenticity card, USB cable and it also includes a silicone sleeve. The Functionality – I'll start by saying there is no "on/off" functionality for this mod other than physically removing the batteries. As soon as you insert batteries, the mod powers on. That may be a turn-off for some, but for me it's no big deal. You can lock the fire button, though, so that may be an acceptable trade-off for not actually powering off. In addition to locking fire button, you can also lock the wattage in power mode or the temperature in TC mode. It's a nice option to have, but I honestly haven't found myself inadvertently bumping the wattage or temperature up or down. The buttons are solid and have thus far shown they need to be pressed intentionally in order to change the settings. That isn't to say you need to mash down on them, because you don't. But you can put it in your pocket without locking the wattage or temperature and reasonably expect the watts or temp to be unchanged when you take it out. Finally, there are a total of six modes on this mod; power mode plus five TC modes: Ni200, Ti, SS, TCR and TFR. By now most of us are familiar with how Ni200, Ti and SS each work in TC mode. TCR and TFR are two additional options for more advanced vaping/fine tuning for your specific wire, but explaining what TCR and TFR are and the differences between the two aren't the point of this review. I will say that there are a ton of options in both TCR and TFR mode and you can really set this up for the specific type of wire you happen to be vaping. For now I will also say they work. I have tested them and vaped in both modes, but I have primarily stayed in power or SS. I have gotten away from Ni200 and Ti wire completely, so I can't provide any input on how this mod performs in either of those two modes. The Experience – So far I've enjoyed this mod. It's not a brick, isn't too heavy but it’s heavy enough to remind you it’s there and the display is easy to read. It does what it's supposed to do and more. I was impressed with this mod enough in the first two weeks that I ordered a second and am considering rounding out the collection by purchasing the two colors I don't own yet. I have used a variety of tanks and RDA's on this mod so far. From .15 ohm coils up to .5 ohm coils. When I first got it, I used my Triton V1 with a .4 ohm coil and a 30/70 PG/VG liquid. The two brand new Samsung 25R batteries I put in the mod upon receiving it lasted me 4 full days with moderate vaping before I had to recharge the batteries. By comparison, the same batteries, moderate vaping, tank, coil and liquid on my iPV4 only lasted 2 and a half days. I did notice it can get a little warm when chain vaping, but not hot. When it got the warmest was when I was vaping in TC mode with a SS316L coil. But TC mode for me was a dream. It ramped up to temperature quickly, but gently. It was definitely a nice experience. The particular juices I vaped were vaped between 490F and 510F, just my preference. By comparison, in power mode I have vaped everywhere from 40w to 125w. It didn't get as warm in power mode as it did in TC mode. It also has a pre-heat setting for TC mode that is adjustable from 10w to 213w and from .01 seconds to 9.99 seconds. Finally, one feature that was a new experience with me was the fact this will ramp back the wattage in power mode if one or both batteries drop to a certain voltage. My only other experiences with regulated mods have been that they simply won't fire at all and will display a "Check Battery" message. This will display a "Check Battery" message as well, but the fact it ramps back the wattage rather than simply not firing was a surprise. It still let me take a hit, though at a lower wattage than what I expected. It was definitely noticeable. The only real drawback I noticed, which can be a pain in the butt, is the button clicking necessary to lock or unlock the fire button. The manual says five times in three seconds. I quickly learned those five clicks can't be too fast. They need to be five deliberate clicks with a short but noticeable pause between each click for the clicks to register. Initially I was clicking so fast that my clicks weren't registering or it was only registering three clicks and I kept putting it in setup mode. More of an annoyance than anything, but once I got used to it muscle memory took over and I haven't had an issue since. It fits nicely in my hand and, as an added bonus, it also fits nicely in the tackle box I use to store vape gear when I'm traveling. Not too heavy, not too light. It is nicely balanced. I did test the USB charging functionality to make sure it works. I will likely never use it because I have I have well over two dozen 18650 batteries. I carry extra batteries with me in case I happen to be away from a charger for an extended period of time. But if for some reason the Zombie Apocalypse or worse, Vapocalypse, happens and all of my backups (and backups for backups) decide to die at the same time, I know I can use the built in USB charging if it comes down to it. Ultimately I would recommend this to anybody who may be in the market for a new mod. I’ve seen them anywhere from about $45 to $60 online. They are running $70 to $80 in B&M’s, so shop around if you decide to buy one. It’s insanely easy to use in power mode and if you’re new to TC, the learning curve for figuring out temp control isn’t that steep if you have experience translating broken English. If you don’t have experience, never fear, many of us around here do. The Score – 8 (out of 10). It's a nice little mod. It isn't cumbersome, it's easy to operate, it has a lot of different options function-wise, it's sturdy and it's convenient. The battery cover being attached is a plus because that's one less thing to have to juggle and potentially lose. The threading on the 510 connector is smooth. The finish on both the blue and the orange versions is really nice. I would recommend it to anybody, even if you don't use TC mode. I'm knocking off the two points for a couple of reasons. First, for the fact there isn’t an “on/off” mode, only a fire button locking mode. I bounce from device to device, especially on the weekends. I have been known to forget to turn a device off because of a switch, then not get back to it until much later than originally anticipated. Usually the batteries have been dead and in a couple of instances, they were dead beyond resurrection. The other reason is because of the temperamental nature of the button clicking to lock or unlock the fire button. Again, the button clicking isn't a huge deal; it was more of an annoyance until I became used to it. I shouldn't have had to get used to it, though. All others I own will register my clicks as fast or slow as I want and long as all of the clicks happen within the prescribed amount of time. Additional colors would be nice, perhaps a red or a green or even a pink or purple for those who like those colors, but the lack of colors doesn’t take away from the fact it is a very functional device. In fact, if the lack of color options ends up being the only thing stopping you from getting one, the selection of wraps available for it is almost endless.

Sorry to hear that @Jeffb. I've had zero issues with either of mine. One has the V8 coil that came installed in the tank, the other has the Q4. Both are producing vapor like champs. Also, on a sort of related note, in my review above where it says the Q4 is slightly more restrictive, it should say LESS restrictive. I was thinking more airflow which is where the 'more' came from.

Was actually just thinking about Comp earlier as I was mixing up my own batch of PBFB. Sent from my heart using the Vapor Talk App. OK...OK...I'm kidding. I have no heart. But I did use the Vapor Talk Mobile App.