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Its only 2 weeks old is this normal? It wont charge the batteries anymore but I can get the PCC fully charged on it. Any clue?

AWESOME BLOSSOM!!! So excited for you!

That is great news about them taking it back! 20 percent is better than losing all of it!

Thank you for being brave enough to share your story so that we can all learn from it. I am so glad your little girl was ok. I always have baby wipes with me when I am filling and messing with juice, so if I spill I can get it up right away and there is no way that it is going to still be there. The other thing you might want to be careful about is calling it "JUICE" in front of the kids. Call it nicotine liquid or niquid or whatever don't let them thin its juice. Take care!

Put a tissue at the bottom of the cart and shake it down like a thermometer after you have done that put a new tissue on the bottom and blow thru it to get all of the juice out of the hole in the middle that is probably where the globs and leaking is coming from. Trust me I know how much this is yuck! Just got a mouthful of juice last week.

LMAO oh my gosh yeah I do think that hurt really bad, but that is what makes it so darn funny!

Can you return that starter kit since it is so new? I hope so, because that is not what vaping is about at all. 16mg is not that much nic and I do think it is the other things in the liquid that are making it yucky. If you must have one that feels like a real cigarette a 510 is the way to go, but you do have to charge them more often. If you are good with one that gives you nicotine but does not really feel like a cigarette then you could go with an Ego that gives you an all day battery life. It matters on what is important to you. You can always buy a 510 kit and then get an Ego battery so you have the best of both worlds. Please don't give up, you just got a bad deal first time around, so glad you found the forum.

Nice, it was positive, but again it talked about them being smoking cessation devices.....which is king of a bummer.

Yeah it was a very good show. I think they were very informitive but not alarmist.

Hi, its so confusing!! Ok this is what I would get if I was going to be starting again. I would get the starter kit of your choice. Then get cartomizers, for me when I started this is less of a hassle that cartridges and an atomizer. I would get the regular ones. Then you need to get the liquid, menthol and then whatever flavor you want, but get small bottles, you seriously just don't know what is going to taste good to you and you don't want to end up with juice you don't like. MG....I started at 18 and I smoked 1 and 1/2 packs a day of marlboro medium 100's, I had no problems with this. For starters that is all you need. You will have a better idea of what you want your next order to be after you do this a bit. I have not heard good or bad about cignot, but I would go to vaporgalaxy.com and order from Luke if you can. Good Luck!

With all of this talk regarding the FDA needing to provide approval over the electronic cigarette, many new and interesting things have arisen. First, it seems evidently clear that people are not understanding exactly what an electronic cigarette is. And not what it is as in, it’s a battery and an atomizer which is a vaporizer which are completely legal, but that the electronic cigarette is a vaporizer that can vaporize liquids that do not contain nicotine. In several conversations, one with an elected official, one with a news reporter, and one with a customs agent, all were shocked to hear that the electronic cigarette does not magically fill itself up and that there are solutions that offer no nicotine. Classifying the electronic cigarette as a drug delivering device seems like just deciding that all chewing gum is a drug because one kind of gum has nicotine in it. Well, this frustration led to some further research about nicotine itself. We have found it extremely interesting that when searching the FDA website, we cannot, in fact, find ANY reference to them actually having control over nicotine. When you search Nicotine, they send you to On March 21, 2000, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration lacks the authority to regulate tobacco. Therefore, FDA no longer maintains its Children and Tobacco Website.! In 1994, the then Director of the FDA, Dr. David Kessler, issued a statement arguing that the manipulation of nicotine makes cigarettes pharmaceuticals. It was at this point, that the FDA decided it was time to take control of the tobacco industry. In 1997, a judge ruled in favor of the FDA. That was then appealed and taken to the Supreme Court, where it was stated that the FDA has clearly stated throughout the past that it had no desire to control tobacco and that ruling overturned the earlier courts decision. This brings us to where we are now. Nicotine is not necessarily controlled by the FDA. It does seem to have control when said company wants to make a health claim. For instance, NicoWater. Everyone remembers this as the water that could help you satisfy your nicotine cravings. Now, it is important to note that they did attempt to go homeopathic, but unfortunately, the nicotine prohibitionists decided to take action, so the lobbying against NicoWater began. Upon this outside influence, the FDA acted by claiming that NicoWater didn’t file paperwork properly and removed their approval. The other fatal flaw in this scenario was putting NicoWater in the same cooler as regular water. It did contain nicotine, no matter how small and diluted, and any smoker can agree, it should probably not be in the reach of children. (But neither should caffeine, but that is another battle!) Back to nicotine. So, in our travels, we were also introduced to a brilliant piece of writing by David Sweaner, Senior Council for the Non-Smokers Rights Association, who wrote a fabulous essay on Alternative Nicotine Delivery as a Harm-Reduction Strategy. Simply brilliant. This piece was presented at the American Society of Addiction Medicine Conference in 1995 & 1996 and The Health Education Authority Seminar on Alternative Delivery Systems, in 1996. Although a wee bit ahead of his time, it is fitting we should find it now, considering the Waxman Bill is getting ready to grace the Senate with it’s presence and may have unexpected implications. Basically, what Sweaner’s essay says is that the cigarette industry has had years of a monopoly. By doing this, tobacco has been turned into a death carrier and impounded upon by the evils of addiction based profiteers. What we need to do is strip away these additives and look at nicotine for what it really is. And what it really is, is an addictive substance with far fewer health risks than it’s carrier. By doing this, we can begin to stop demonizing nicotine users, as we certainly do not demonize coffee drinkers (even though caffeine falls into the same family as cocaine and amphetamines). We need to focus on cleaner ways of allowing people to use nicotine, without the touch of the pharmaceutical industry and the completely laxidasical haphazardnous of the tobacco industry. There needs to be a medium where nicotine users have an option that is viable for them. This medium, while needing some regulation, needs to be open for the free market so that small businesses and new ideas can be pushed out into the market. They need to focus on tobacco harm reduction which in turn, might actually get people un-addicted to nicotine. Holy Shocker! Some logic from a non-smoking crowd! Basically: The quit or die method, should simply die. So here we are in 2009 at the Waxman Bill. The Waxman Bill may have implications for Nicotine and the FDA. It will tell any new product emerging into the market, sure you can play but if you don’t have a maximum of $100,000,000.00 to play ball, then don’t come a knocking. To users it says: Do you enjoy nicotine? Well great! Come on over to the pharmaceutical counter and lets see what we have for ya! Here’s some Chantix. It might not get you to quit smoking, but if you fall into the category of some of the users, you will commit suicide and then all of your problems will be solved. Op! If you commit suicide your insurance won’t cover your death? But hey, and you have to digg deep for this one, a study was done by the Royal London School of Medicine that found the typical patches, gum etc over help to only one in five people and those people only manage to stay off of the cigarettes. Shhh… We found that one on the FDA’s own website! Or better yet, reside yourself to an early death and go the other route. That’s right! Smoke Tobacco. The proven recipe of our founding fathers altered and changed. Made more delicious and deadly. Made just to our liking. At least someone is getting their tax dollar revenue before you die. It is far safer than some propylene glycol, flavorings and nicotine. Tobacco cigarettes have been scientifically proven to kill whereas the electronic cigarette seems to be getting a hard time before the results are even in. It all sounds scary and guess what? It is! It is a sad day when an alternative to smoking hits the world, like the electronic cigarette, and even one good doctor is quoted as saying “you are probably getting more nicotine than you would be getting in a cigarette simply because filter cigarettes tend to dilute the nicotine that is being inhaled and in this one you get the pure effects”. I especially like the “probably”. So for those of you who are interested, there is no bleak end to the electronic cigarette future. There are currently active suppliers participating in the formation of an Electronic Cigarette Association. The first meeting will take place April 11th & 12th in Chicago. Here, the group will determine acceptable trade practices and a goal for to betterment of the industry and it’s consumers. This isn’t an unregulated group of shady back alley dealers. This is a group of ex-tobacco smokers who think that the electronic cigarette is exactly what it is, an alternative to tobacco. A better (in my opinion) way to intake nicotine, which is a completely legal substance for adults. The electronic cigarette is not a smoking cessation device. We are going to fight this every step of the way because well, it is ridiculous that the peacock is taking over the zoo. Sure the road is going to be bumpy. And hopefully, the Senate will take note from their fellow Congressmen who smoke e-cigs and ensure tobacco smokers have rights and options. Happy E-Smoking!

These are the things we need to cite when we write the FDA, we cannot continue to support the e cig as a way to quit smoking, it is not a smoking cessation device. It is an alternative to smoking. We all deserve alternatives to anything we do. We can choose our cable companies, we can choose our favorite colors, we can choose where we live, we have to fight for the right to CHOOSE how we smoke. We choose to smoke on a personal vaporizer, it is not a cigarette, it is not an electronic cigarette, it is a personal vaporizer that we CHOOSE to use as an alternative to smoking. The FDA cannot according to this judge take away our right to choose an alternative. That is where we need to fight. JMHO But Judge Leon rejected that reasoning, agreeing with manufactures that electronic cigarettes are "the functional equivalent of traditional cigarettes." "This case appears to be yet another example of FDA's aggressive efforts to regulate recreational tobacco products as drugs or devices," states Leon's ruling. "Unfortunately, its tenacious drive to maximize its regulatory power has resulted in its advocacy of an interpretation of the relevant law that I find, at first blush, to be unreasonable." Leon was appointed to the U.S. District Court by President Bush in 2002. The FDA recently gained the power to regulate tobacco-based cigarettes, but since electronic cigarettes don't contain tobacco they don't fall under that regulation. The Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids said Leon's ruling, if upheld, "opens a gaping hole in the protection FDA has provided against the sale and distribution of non-tobacco products." A federal judge says the Food and Drug Administration overstepped its authority in recent efforts to regulate electronic cigarettes. A ruling by U.S. District Court Judge Richard Leon handed down Thursday sides with two electronic cigarette suppliers, Smoking Everywhere and NJOY, in their lawsuit against the FDA. The companies sued the government after regulators began halting shipments of electronic cigarettes last year. The FDA said it found cancer-causing ingredients in the products, despite manufacturers' claims that the products are safer than tobacco cigarettes. Electronic cigarettes use a battery-operated vaporizer to produce a nicotine mist that simulates inhalable smoke. Manufacturers have touted the products as a healthier alternative to smoking because there is no burning involved. The FDA argued that electronic cigarettes are in fact a combination drug-device, and therefore subject to stricter safety standards than cigarettes. But Judge Leon rejected that reasoning, agreeing with manufactures that electronic cigarettes are "the functional equivalent of traditional cigarettes." "This case appears to be yet another example of FDA's aggressive efforts to regulate recreational tobacco products as drugs or devices," states Leon's ruling. "Unfortunately, its tenacious drive to maximize its regulatory power has resulted in its advocacy of an interpretation of the relevant law that I find, at first blush, to be unreasonable."

I wish the language was simpler so we could understand exactly what we are fighting. I don't know if its the ecig part or the liquid part or what.

Quit or Die! WAVERLY, Tenn., Sept. 7 /PRNewswire/ -- Electronic cigarette sales and popularity continues to increase on a daily basis despite the US Food and Drug Administration's attempts to label the products as unsafe and untested for their intended purpose. Thousands of electronic cigarette reviews online dispute the stance of the FDA, many of them stating that the products have not only been tested, but by and large have been found to be less harmful than traditional cigarettes. The American Cancer Society recently stated in many words that they have a "quit or die" policy concerning the e cigarette versus tobacco cigarettes while bringing their own pre-written legislation before state lawmakers to outright ban the e cigarette from the market. This legislation makes no attempt to make it illegal to sell e cigarettes to minors, but would rather have it banned altogether to prevent adults from making an informed decision on their own. The ACS continues to push this quit or die agenda along with many other special interest health organizations that are directly funded by pharmaceutical companies to push their products above and beyond any other alternative on the market at the cost of American lives. Evidence is mounting as more and more physicians and health care practitioners are suggesting to smokers that are unable to quit to make the switch to e cigarettes as part of a harm reduction effort. Highly funded special interest groups tend to state, however, that quitting entirely is the only acceptable means of harm reduction. Unfortunately for American smokers, eliminating smoking alternatives like e cigarettes from the open market will force them to quit with "approved" methods or be destined to spend a fortune throughout their lives on a habit that is one of the most difficult on the planet to cease. "This is basically a 'die or spend money' situation that they're forcing people into and it's not right," says William Ellis of World of E Cigarettes. "They don't have a right to make the decision on how someone wants to stop or even continue smoking if that's what that person wants to do. They're not elected officials and they have no business writing legislation in secrecy and pushing it on our lawmakers to be crammed down our throats." World of E Cigarettes is an online authority on electronic cigarettes and related products. Visit their website at http://worldofecigarettes.com

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Just wanted to let everyone here to know what happened to me so maybe it will stop it from happening to you. I filled up a cartomizer and then left the house for the evening. I went to vape in my car and about puked. I had over filled the cart and had a mouthful of juice. It was peppery and hot and tasted like crap. My tongue was burning most of the night and this morning my esophagus (i guess) is still not feeling right. It is so frustrating that it happened and frankly a little scary. Please be careful especially the new people it is not a joke and it is seriously painful. I hope I am able to vape later today again (still to irratated in my throat). I threw that carto away. So just a word of warning and maybe a request of maybe someone letting me know how to prevent it from happening again. Thanks. Julie

The letter kept saying it was a carbonated beverage and its not, I think that is funny! They don't even know what the heck it is that they wrote the letter about. Stupid people!

Oh I see now, nobody ever has anything there, but I will try. Thanks!

I am wondering if there is a post somewhere on the boards where we can trade things? Like juices we did not like, cartomizers we don't need....etc?

WOW I would love to have a shop like that! Are you a knitter as well?

I would like to order some PURPLE cartomizers from here, but I have not seen any reviews on them? Anyone use them before?

The one good thing I noticed in that article is they caterogized them as a "TOBACCO PRODUCT"

Well as a knitter I do know that any acrylic yarn would melt and anything wool would burn, so I don't think these options would work.

No study or statistic has been offered that points to the Swine Flu as being more deadly than tobacco cigarettes in causing death, yet a disproportional effort in preventative measures are currently being channeled to defend against a lower risk health issue. Toxic tobacco smoke contains many additional chemicals, including carbon monoxide and tar which is a sticky substance that accumulates in the lungs, causing lung cancer and respiratory distress. Tobacco is the leading cause of preventable death in the world and is responsible for more than 5 million deaths each year. What the flu vaccine is to H1N1 as a preventative, the electronic cigarette may be for the tobacco smoker. An electronic cigarette is a futuristic advancement in science that makes it look, feel, and taste like a tobacco cigarette, as the user duplicates the mechanical motions. It expels an almost odorless water vapor that looks like smoke, but isn't. The e cigarettes are battery-powered with a cartridge that typically contains nicotine in various levels (or none), propylene glycol and tobacco flavoring. In their October briefing, Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) in the United Kingdom released a favorable position on electronic cigarettes. Propylene glycol, the primary ingredient in the electronic cigarette cartridge, may be a powerful deterrent against pneumonia, influenza, and other respiratory diseases when vaporized and inhaled according to a study by Dr. Oswald Hope Robertson. Decades before the e cigarette was invented, a study was conducted by Dr. Robertson of the University of Chicago's Billings Hospital in 1942 on inhalation of vaporized propylene glycol in laboratory mice. A more in-depth article was printed in the 1942 issue of TIME Magazine http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,932876,00.html for November 16th. "Dr. Robertson placed groups of mice in a chamber and sprayed its air first with propylene glycol, then with influenza virus. All the mice lived. Then he sprayed the chamber with virus alone. All the mice died." The researchers also found that "the propylene glycol itself was a potent germicide. One part of glycol in 2,000,000 parts of air would--within a few seconds--kill concentrations of air-suspended pneumococci, streptococci and other bacteria numbering millions to the cubic foot." Clinical trials on electronic cigarettes containing propylene glycol were carried out in New Zealand by Dr. Murray Laugeson of Health New Zealand and can be found on the website of SS Choice LLC at http://www.eCigarettesChoice.com under the tab "Media Coverage." Far from posing a threat to our health, the propylene glycol in e cigarettes might just keep us healthy. Further studies should be done on the effects of propylene glycol to determine if it can be used successfully as a virus prevention tool. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the best flu preventative was right under our noses all this time? SOURCE SS Choice, LLC http://www.news-medical.net/news/20091104/Propylene-glycol-in-e-cigarettes-might-keep-us-healthy-says-researchers.aspx

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