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Wow, is it really 14-20% of smoker who have switched? I know smokers make up around 20% of the general adult population. So if your figures are correct, that's huge.

I agree with Uma we must do anything and everything we can.

It does seem the technology is getting better and better and this will in turn attract more and more people to vaping. Hopefully.

I think the glass tanks are on the rise!

With regard to number 8, is that TFA's Tobacco Blend?
Ok, so at 15% flavor to base, it would probably be something like this by total volume:

Tobacco Blend(Alc) - 3.75%
Cinnamon Danish Swirl - 3.00%
Almond oil - 1.50%
Cherry - 2.25%
Graham Cracker - 3.00%
Cotton Candy - 1.50%

Are my figures correct? Wonder if I could replicate it using strictly TFA stuff, since that is what I mostly have.

I'm not an audiophile, but I do like music (who doesn't?).

I also record audio books, you can find my recordings here:

https://catalog.librivox.org/people_public.php?peopleid=8087

I have made recordings in Latin, Spanish, Italian, and English.

Sorry didn't mean to go off topic.It's audio related anyway.

Looks like Boba's and Pluid are some of the most coveted e-liquids out there. I Want to try both out of curiosity Though I don't like the bright neon green color of Pluid, which tells ya automatically it is very likely artificially colored. So wouldn't vape it on a long term basis.Just to taste.

Tried a whiff of Gorilla juice. Didn't like what I smelled. Though I am not really a fan of tobacco flavors.

My local vendor is who got me started vaping so I try to buy as much as I can from him. He also just started carrying Vision Spinners after I showed him mine so, even if I didn't really need any more of them I bought a couple just 'cuz. I also carry a stack of his cards everywhere I go and give them out to everyone who asks about vaping. Business has been good. His store was wall to wall every time I went so he opened another one (nearly four times as large) with even more stock. That one is now busy all the time with people waiting outside for him to open. His equipment is quality, customer service is great (except one clerk who's over zealous about policies). The only problem I have is with his juice. He makes them and keeps them on the shelves at 24 mg, 70 VG/30 PG. Waaaay too thick for me. There is one flavor of his that I do like, however, and buy it at 240 ml at a time before I doctor it up to my preferences.

Supporting locally is good for everyone.

So , DO you like it more as much or less thank the protank?
I am going to buy my husband a glass tank ( even though hes not a vapper yet it can be for him and Ill just use it till he is a vapper )

Screw it on your mod and twist clockwise on the top of it to get it to loosen and pull up. It's only held together by o rings.

My Igo L finally came from Fasttech. Looks nice/nice box Have yet to play with it. I do have magnifying glasses I use when I do my DIY liquid so I can read some of the markings. Maybe they will come in handy.

Yes, ya gotta be careful unscrewing alot of these tanks, especially the ones that don't have knurling (so you can grip it good) on the bottom. If you don't grip the atty or bottom cap portion, you end up with a mess.

I used to think spilling/knocking over my ashtrays was terrible. E-cigs can be just as messy. Ha.

Trying to clone Boba's Bounty? List your experiments here.

This list, is stolen from another forum. But, hey, we're all vapers that are on the same quest, so I don't feel bad at all. (and I hope they don't when they discover my dastardly deed). May the first true BB cloner win!

Thread Cloned from ECF:
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Here are the seven (plus a Gorilla Juice) Clone recipes that were tested by at least 14 vapers. The real Boba's was always vaped first and all others were tried against it and never in the same order.

RBA dripping atties were used.

Other important notes,
- not all flavorings were 100% VG
- all bases were 12mg at 100% VG
- 15% flavor to base
- B&M Plus = Ecig Express
- Tobacco Express Captain = Ecig Express
- Black Honey Tobacco = Ecig Express
- Coconut = Capella
- Cotton Candy = LorAnn
- Chocolate Fudge Brownie = Capella
- Cinnamon Danish Swirl = Capella
- Graham Cracker = Capella
- Bannana Nutbread = FlavorArt
- Cherry = Canvape Pro Series?
- Almond Oil = LorAnn
- Sweetner = Ethyl Maltol Crystals in VG
- Steep time one week through to three weeks by end of trial

Boba's Clone #1
Black and Mile Plus 60.0%
Cotton Candy 20.0%
Coconut 20.0%

Boba's Clone #2
Black and Mile Plus 42.9%
Cinnamon Danish Swirl 21.4%
Graham Cracker 21.4%
Coconut 7.1%
Vinegar 7.1%

Boba's Clone #3
Black and Mile Plus 42.9%
Cinnamon Danish Swirl 21.4%
Almond oil 21.4%
Coconut 7.1%
Vinegar 7.1%

Boba's Clone #4
Black and Mile Plus 71.4%
Tobacco Express Captian 14.3%
Coconut 14.3%

Boba's Clone #5
Black and Mile Plus 25.0%
Chocolate Fudge Brownie 25.0%
Coconut 12.5%
Vape Wizard 37.5%

Snuck this one in there to mix the taste buds up
Gorilla Juice Clone #6
Black and Mile Plus 30.0%
Black Honey Tobacco 30.0%
Banana Nutbread 30.0%
Sweetener 10.0%

Boba's Clone #7
Black and Mile Plus 40.0%
Cinnamon Danish Swirl 20.0%
Almond oil 20.0%
Coconut 7.1%
Graham Cracker 7.1%
Vinegar 5.8%

Boba's Clone #8
Tobacco Blend (Alc) 25.0%
Cinnamon Danish Swirl 20.0%
Almond oil 10.0%
Cherry 15.0%
Graham Cracker 20.0%
Cotton Candy 10.0%


The results for "rate which is most like the orginal" scored in the following order (most to least);

#7, #3, #4, #8, #2 #5, #1, #8

Some comments;
#1 "Tastes more like Bounty Hunter"
#2 "Flat, almost tasteless"
#3 "needs more cinamon"
#4 "not boba's but can I order 100 ml?"
#5 "Yuk"
#6 "I think you messed up, that's Gorilla Juice, no really."
#7 "Don't tell anyone, ssh!"
#8 "Like it better than Boba's"

My Mechanical mods lock too. (turn on/turn off. Lock/unlock).

Both my Roller and my Poldiacs are TOP side button, all mechanical mods.
The Roller locks by turning the knob to the side.
The Poldiac locks by spinning the shirt over the button.

(bad pic, ... both are in 18500 mode and both need the attys adjusted flush and both need fingerprints wiped off)




BOTH are Top-sided LOCKABLE buttons.

Especially for you Uma, I have snapped these photos of my metal tube mech mod with the protected battery inside along with my (totally redundant) one time vape safe fuse. On top is a Smoktech Pyrex Vivi Nova.






You really cannot see any exposed threads and the end cap is not hanging off the bottom. Looks fine.
I tested the resistance of the fuse with my multimeter which gave a resistance reading of 1.0 ohms, however the meter has an internal resistance (checked by touching both probes together) of 1.0 ohms. So effectively no resistance was measured.

I would like to state also that there is no decrease in performance with the fuse in there. Also while the mod doesn't have a locking mechanism as you see in some bottom firing mech mods, the button is quite stiff and is not likely to be activated by accident if in my pocket,

For 17 bucks, its pretty nice and as simple as you can get.They also make a shorty version for use with a single 18350.

I agree. Are some people still doing it? sure!

Apparently the danger comes about because in a series, the voltages get out of synch or something and they age differently. The uppermost battery appears to drain faster, which requires rotating of the batteries in the seriies. The rest is too technical for me. heh. But things may have changed with the newer batteries.

I havent stacked batteries in years. No reason to do that nowadays.

mix the peach and the banana. They make an awesome smoothi type flavor. I went with 35 drop of banana in a 30 ml mix and 25 drops of peach.

Go HERE to learn how you can fight it.

Uma is a wealth of knowledge, isn't she??

My only addendum to this thread would be this:

KNOW YOUR BATTERY!!!!!

I realize the topic of researching your battery's exact manufacture specs has already been covered in this thread. However, I feel it important enough to reinforce the point.

Another point that hasn't been covered is that you're using a new-generation battery.....which may account for the strange behavior. With the advent of new technology, the information we currently know about the batteries in the Vaping world is slowly becoming obsolete.

From what I understand, Orbtronic batteries perform really, REALLY well. The Panasonic CGR18650CH also outperforms AW-brand batteries on all levels. Their NCR-series look really promising too!!! And, recently, Sony released a 30-amp 18650 cell...putting ultra high-drain batteries into the "affordable" category.

AW's have been the gold-standard amongst Vapers for quite some time. However, times and battery chemistry are changing. Safer cells, higher-drain, and more mAh are now of the order.

I have my Igo-L in the mail. Wanted something for a noob, this was recommended. Hope I don't have to do any drilling, but then again, I like a good stiff/tight draw.

Thanks for relaying that info Ulma. Didn't mean to make you the go between. You really need like a magnifying glass to tell that the end cap is not tightened all the way, so it doesn't look awful by any means. I can provide a pic if you want.

I am not sure what Griz/mike is thinking when he says "depends what you call top and bottom". As far as I know the top of the battery is always the positive pole and is clearly distinguishable even on flat top batteries that don't have the button. I have never seen a battery where both terminals look exactly the same, but perhaps he has, Not trying to nitpick or anything.

I tested the resistance of the head right out of the box before use, so it wasn't your normal resistance creeping with age. Besides I've only had it a week or two and don't use it much.

Funny you should say that Ulma, actually I do have an IGO-L on the way in the mail. I also have the Protank, and 2 other Pyrex tanks, a Vivi Nova and a T3. Also have two Evod's on the way, but I prefer glass to plastic.

Thanks for all your help Ulma. You are my hero!

Well, you're too late Bubba. The cavalry is here. Buckle up.

Copy/Pasting Griz's reply, so I don't mess it up. (don't worry, he straightens me out the most).

Hi Uma!

I wonder what resistance he's running at? I've noticed myself that the vape tails off much later with lower resistance setups, and I've driven a 14500 or two down to 2.5 volts that way. I always try to keep my coils around the 1.2 - 1.3 ohm mark at a minimum now and I notice the battery dropping below 3.6 volts very quickly.

It depends very much on your setup and what kind of atomiser you are using (mesh, silica, hybrid...) as to how the atomiser performs over a large range of voltages. It's also about personal sensitivity to the quality and volume of vapour diminishing.

Trust me, on a normal mechanical mod, the voltage is decreasing, but a combination of setup and sensitivity is making him not notice the voltage dropping.

Some things about protected batteries...

The little circuit board that sits on top of the battery does three things:

1. It prevents you from over charging the battery. Even if the charger is faulty, the protection board will stop the battery from being charged to over 4.2 volts.
2. It prevents you from over discharging the battery. Once the battery goes down to 2.5 volts, the protection board will not allow the battery to discharge further.
3. It protects against you trying to draw more current from the battery than it is designed for. A hard short in your mod would draw a huge amount of current, except that can't happen on a protected battery as the protection board will shut down as soon as the current exceeds the set level.

Using a second fuse in this case is completely redundant. The protection board is already providing that function.

Then IMR batteries.

1. They are not protected.
2. Over charging an IMR battery will cause the battery to lose capacity and shorten it's life. Unlike a standard Li-ion, it won't explode or catch fire if you over charge it.
3. Over discharging an IMR below 2.5 volts will reduce the battery's capacity. Discharging an IMR to under 1.5 volts will turn it into a short circuit. Most chargers will refuse to charge a battery that's been damaged this way as the battery tries to draw too much current from the charger.
4. Even if you short circuit an IMR battery, the only thing it will do is get very hot. This will also destroy the battery. As far as I am aware, there has never been an event where a good quality IMR battery has failed in an explosive way.

I've never used a one time or resettable fuse with my IMRs and have no plans to start doing so either! Both devices, and especially the resettable fuse introduce resistance into the circuit.

With a Vamo or Kick, the regulation circuits will keep the output voltage constant until the battery drops down to 3.3 volts, so there should be no difference between a fully charged or nearly empty battery. Both devices also protect against the risk of a short circuit in the atomiser.

You are quite safe to keep your batteries that have gone down to 3.2 volts, even if they have gone down to 2.5 volts. Just make sure that you put them on the charger straight away.

When you over discharge a Li-ion (IMR or standard) battery, you run the risk of dissolving the anode (positive terminal) as there are no more lithium ions avalable to deliver current. This can cause tiny whiskers of metal to start growing from the anode to the cathode and this shorts out the battery. This process only really starts happening at around 1.5 volts, so as long as your battery has not been discharged under 2.0 volts, there's probably some life left in it. Here's a link to an interesting paper from NASA of all people that goes into this in more detail. http://www.techbriefs.com/index.php?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=/Briefs/Feb99/NPO19897.html

I hope this helps! Give me a shout if there's more you need to know.

All the best,

Mike

Thank you Ulma, you are most kind. I appreciate your concern. As vapers, I think we ought to be sticking together and looking out for one another, especially when it comes to safety issues.

I want to clarify, that although it seemed to me that vapor production suddenly ceased, it may indeed have been trailing off, I just wasn't paying attention because I was so busy enjoying my quad chocolate blend (I really did vape the hell outta it!). I was also occupied on the computer.

But I have pretty much put it behind me now. And am ready to move on. I will be monitoring the battery and vapor output in the future. I guess with a purely mechanical mod, that is the only way to prevent over discharge (I don't think any external fuse or onboard battery protection circuit kicks in at exaclty 3.2 volts, the threshold for my battery I believe is 2.75v before it trips.

The good thing about those vapesafe fuses is they can also be used whilst charging your battery to prevent damage to the battery or other catasrophe.

As far as a not totally closed endcap, I have heard it mentioned with other mods before. The mod fires fine with the fuse in there, and it is only fraction of a milimeter we are talking about. Almost a hair.

Really, I am not worried about it any more.

Unless you are like me....I am flavor challenged. I have always had a very hard time with flavors being too weak. Mind you, I can taste food etc without any problem.

I got into the world of mixing my own because I like strong flavors and they can be hard to come by out in the vaping world. cinnamon is a nice strong one.
But I haven't noticed a big problem switching flavors after cinnamon...so long as its one of my mixes.

The Protected battery does not have the amps needed for the pull. Correct.

Well my experience vaping in public has been different then most. I am a social butterfly and have never met a stranger lol, I was also the guy walking around with 11 facial piercings and gauges and a 2ft mohawk so the looks i dont even notice anymore and they never bothered me before. haha!

I have been approached by people in the gorcery store and on the sidewalk, bars, parking lots, restaraunts, and the like. They all know what the e-cigs are but arent really sure what the hell my eVic is, so they come over to ask me what it is and why would i buy something like that. I explain the benefits of it over a normal battery as far as my experience has been. Usually they ask me where they can get one or read up on it for themselves or a loved one and i give them one of brian's cards.

I dont ever hide what im doing. Im not ever really discreet either bc i smoke 100%VG and my eVic and protank will blow clouds for days at 4.5v. I have never been one to hide what im doing based on popular vote. If someone were ever to come up to me and as me not to do it in the grocery store or a bar or any public place other then outdoors i would politely put it away. but i have never had that happen... actually people are more intrigued by the vanilla smell then the huge cloud of vapor usually floating around me. LOL!

just my experience though. Can I ask all of you discreet vapers a question though?

If you have the right to walk outside the bar and smoke either on the patio or on the sidewalk... Why do you try to be discreet? Is it a matter of social courtesy? or is it a conflict avoidance behavior?