Brandon

No prob there sir. I just measured 3.6ohms on 2 separate cartomizers that are brand new and never used, and then 3.3 and 3.2 on the 2 that I've been using today. Possible that it would go down a little as you vape on it more, but I'm not sure on that. Rock on with that Chris! Now you've really got me curious about a cartomizer on a higher voltage, like the VP PT.... Dang I hope it comes in stock soon

You just nailed it on the head there sir. "the viscosity of the juice changes". That's been my problem on so many occasions. But since I've started using the BB it's happened much less frequently, and I have yet to notice the atomizer so warm that it's uncomfortable to touch. "Would that qualify as a mod?" I'll say heck yes

A very good question, to which I don't feel very qualified to answer, but I'll share the little that I know about it. Doing an initial "forming charge" on a Lithium battery is complete bunk. This is something that's left over from nickle chemistry cells such as Nicad (nickle cadmium) and Nimh (nickle metal hydride) and to a lesser degree also lead acid batteries. In the case of lead acid batteries, a couple forming charges and discharges helps to promote the growth of lead sulphate crystals, which in turn increases the surface area of the plates and thus increases the capacity of the cells to their maximum potential. By the time we get some lead acid batteries into our hands on the consumer side of things, they've usually gone through a couple of charge/discharge cycles to start this process, so it's not something the manufacturers push on us. It's similar in nickle cells; they need a couple charges and discharges to reach their maximum capacity though I can't remember the chemistry involved in what exactly happens on the surface of the plates. In the case of nickle chemistry batteries, the market is so highly saturated with manufacturers and competition is so fierce that the cells will usually only be charged once (twice or 3 times if you're lucky and buy a premium higher priced brand) because they're trying to quickly turnaround their stock and keep costs to the absolute bare minimum. After all, keeping a cell in storage for a few hours to undergo a couple of cycles means less time for them to get them on a boat and ship them to a distributor in America (or another country). With lithium cells, the charging method is a little different. There is no trickle charging that we're used to with nickle cells. Once the battery reaches the determined cutoff voltage (4.2volts typically) the charger shuts off completely. This is opposite in the case of nickle cells. In a nickle cell, once the cell reaches the determined cutoff voltage it goes into trickle charging mode which is usually a charging current of C/10 to C/20 (meaning a charging current of 1/10 to 1/20 the cell's rated capacity). Trickle charging a nickle cell for 8hrs+ is a quick and dirty way to get around having to do a "forming charge and discharge". It doesn't work as well, but for someone that doesn't want to take the time to go through a few cycles, it's acceptable. With lithiums, there's no point in this. They don't need to build up a layer of sulphates or oxides on the plates to reach their maximum capacity. And this is one of the great things about them. When I got my first Joye510 starter kit, it also mentioned to do an 8hr charge on the batteries prior to use, even if the charger gave a green light indicating that the charge cycle was complete. I knew this was crap, but I did a quick search online just to make sure. And sure enough, this type of a forming charge is complete bunk. The charger doesn't give a trickle charge like a nickle chemistry cell charger does. One way to verify this is to take a look at your Joye510 battery charger. Look carefully at the LEDs on it. About once every 10 seconds or so you'll notice a very quick flash. The LED flickers for an instant. What's happening here is that the charger is checking the voltage of the battery itself. It checks to see that the voltage is 4.2V and determines no charging cycle is needed. It's very fast, and a little hard to notice. But I also have a 5 battery charger I bought from Wicked Eliquid, that charges 5 batteries at the same time. It's very easy to see the flicker here when there are five separate lights to watch. Plug a fully charged battery (or a slightly drained one) into it, and you'll see a slight delay between when you make full contact, and when the LED flickers. This is that short 'checkup' cycle. .....whew..... Sorry for the long post.... So basically from what I know, doing a 'forming charge' on a lithium cell is not needed. If you're paranoid and have the time to wait, feel free. But just know that nothing is actually happening during these 8 hours

Wow Steven, sounds like you've really had a terrible time trying to get over this sickness. After being sick for so long and feeling like trash, it really starts to work on your nerves and almost leads you into a depressive state. At least, that's what it's done to me in the past. Plus the fact that you're trying to quarantine yourself (which is great BTW, but doesn't help the fact that you're left alone to your misery) is a good thing, but something that most people can't do. I sympathize. Thanks for bringing up the point about cleaning your cartridges. This was something I've been curious about lately as well, but haven't been able to find much info on it. I'm down to my last 510 whistle tip, and have been using it for about the past 4-5 days. Every site I look at is out of the whistle tips, and I just really can't stand the round ones. Looks like tomorrow I'll be boiling this sucker. Thanks for the tip on that BirdDog Feel better soon!

Got a 5 pack of blank 808d cartomizers from ELiquidPlanet last week and some adapters from MadVapes and CigTechs today so that I could finally put the two together on my BB and 510 batteries. And yes, everything I've read is true. The throat hit is less, the vapor production is less, but the flavor is totally off the chain! I'm still coming to grips with how a small difference such as an atomizer can affect the experience so much. The juice flavor is much more intense and really is different. I'll say 'different' because it's like I can pick up on more of the subtle little undertones and flavor notes that I hadn't noticed before. I''ve only used 2 different juices on them so far, because I only got a 5 pack and don't want to burn through them too quickly. But I can really see the attraction to these little beasties due to the outragious flavor and also how long they last. I filled up a carto with some Essence USA mix from ELiquidPlanet for my wife about noon today. She vaped on it sporadically for about 2 hours, and I took it over for the rest of the day. Granted, I've been switching between it and my other carto and 510s but the thing has yet to completely cash-out. I was hoping these cartomizers would be a good alternative for my wife since they're a little less harsh and can last so long. Unfortunately it doesn't make vaping for her any easier, but for someone that's not as sensitive as her and is constantly on the go (like she is) these dudes could have great value. It even makes that Essence USA flavor pleasing to me (I didn't really like it on my 510) because it just brings out so many extra little details on the flavor. Truly amazing. And I'll be buying some more blanks to try my other juices as well. Totally recommended buy, even though most sites don't carry the blank cartomizers *and* the 510 adapters in one place.

Oh that's a fantastic idea! And perhaps why he started this thread?

Hey Tektronik, that's an excellent observation. After getting and using the BB I noticed it helps to cool the atomizer much more quickly too, almost like the BB is a heat sink. I think there's something to be said for that, b/c you're keeping the battery itself cooler and also the atomizer which could extend their usable life and also help to prevent messy leaks when the atty gets very hot to the touch.

I've been curious about this juice. I've heard it's VG or at least reduced PG. Is this true? I love the look of their website and also their bottles. Very clean and professional looking, but I've been nervous about placing an order since they're pretty expensive and you can't get any sample packs. Have you tried any of their other flavors?

LOL! Yeah TeriJo, the small size of my yard and also my wife keep in check the extent of little experiments that I can perform. She's a very patient lady, but even she has limits that she has to impose upon me

I have the same question. I ran across that a couple weeks ago, and was hoping that GrimmGreen would do an episode on it, but he hasn't yet. It's very pricey, but could be worth it.

Nhaler has the D-tips, which is a black plastic version and is cheaper. I've got some in the mail on the way but I have no personal experience with them yet. They were apparently a big hit at vapefest, along with the magnum attys. http://shop.nhaler.com/product.sc?productId=106&categoryId=34

Hey this site looks really cool. What interests me the most is that they have my favorite flavored juice (Turkish Tobacco) and you can have it made in VG. I've not been able to find a good Turkish Tobacco in VG before, only in PG, so I'm really tempted to order. Also, you can specify the following for your juice: Base - PG, VG, or a 50/50 mix Nicotine - 7 different levels from 36mg to zero Flavor Intensity - 3 levels Throat Hit - 4 levels Vapor Production - 2 levels That's the most customization options I've ever seen. Whether it's just hype or for real I have no idea. Prices are very good too, at 60cents per mil. Anyone ever tried them before?

Yes thanks Chris. Wow, I'm impressed!

Carbon rods are just about the most economical and least reactive electrodes you can get for electrochemistry. Platinum is best, but dang if it's expensive. I haven't ventured too far into electrochemistry, have just plated a few things in copper (which doesn't require carbon electrodes, you can just use copper wire and a nice copper sulphate solution), but they're the best for cheaply making sulphuric acid. You can make copper sulphate by dissolving copper into sulphuric acid, and reverse the process by making sulphuric acid from copper sulphate. But you'll need carbon or platinum rods to reverse the process. Oddly enough, all these materials can be had very cheaply if you know what you're looking for: Copper Sulphate - Root Kill (pure solid copper sulphate crystals that you flush down your drain for folks with their own septic system to kill tree roots that get too adventurous and find their way into your septic line). I picked up a 2lb bottle for $10 at Lowes. The crystals are very pretty (and poisonous of course) and you can make some majorly strong copper sulphate solutions just using a little bit of it. The bottle will probably last me a lifetime. Carbon Rods - The cathode of a carbon zinc battery or carbon gouging welding rods (though 95% of these welding rods will actually be plated in copper and are pretty expensive). I've bought five 6volt lanterns that came with a cheapo carbon zinc lantern battery at Ace Hardware for like $5. The batteries themselves are about $4. Carbon rods are also good for stirring sticks for folks who melt their own metals, though that's something I've not played with. Also, since carbon is high on the galvanic series table, it's a great cathode for making your own galvanic batteries. That's something I've only recently been playing with. Stick a carbon rod and a magnesium fire starter stick into the ground and connect them together with a multimeter and you'll get a voltage potential over 1 volt. Yup, earth batteries (this actually works with any 2 dissimilar metals, but carbon and magnesium are very much polar opposites on the galvanic table, so they produce a high potential difference). I've played around with some earth batteries over the past couple months, but since my backyard isn't very big, I don't have a chance to explore it as much as I'd like .....wow..... from vaping to chemistry.... Ha! For anyone that's interested in home chemistry, check out "NurdRage" on youtube. He's the best!

Here ya go. Actually watched these myself a few days ago. Don't like that idea? Why not grow your own? http://www.howtogrowtobacco.com/ http://www.ryomagazine.com/july/review.htm Or just google it. I was surprised to see how many sites and how much info is dedicated to this. But Chris does make a good point about making *safe* ejuice. Something to consider.

Well crap.... I ordered 4 of them and 3 drip tips... Plus $7 shipping. Wow, they're making some money this week!

Good points made there Tektronik. About the 6v lantern batteries, that 32 AA thing is just a hoax. I've opened up 2 of them to get the carbon rods out of the cells. There are 4 cells in there, and the size is "AF", which is basically the width of a D cell battery, but longer. They're very large and funny looking. On an unrelated note, for anyone interested in home chemistry (especially electrochemistry) those cheap 6v lantern batteries are a good source for your carbon rods. Just make sure you get the cheapest ones that are of the carbon-zinc chemistry; not the $10 ones that are actually alkaline (they don't use carbon as a cathode). I didn't come up with that on my own, rather saw it on an episode of NurdRage. Those rods have come in handy a few times (electroplating and making sulphuric acid; but don't tell my wife about that last one cuz she doesn't know).

Sorry to hear about your father Eric, I'm sure that's tough. Yes I'd go underground too. Lately I've been thinking about long-term storage of juices and ways to rebuild broken/burnt atomizers. Can you freeze e-juice without it affecting it's "nutritional value"? .....slight pun on the nutritional thing, but I think you know what i mean

Thanks a lot everyone! This really is a treat.

Oh dang Uma, I'll have to decline your offer I got enough of it back in the day to last me a lifetime. Plus I'm old and fragile now, ha!

Oh wow, yes thanks for the update ElBell. Good to hear that vaping wasn't a cause for concern and also that he was happy you made the switch. That's good news all around. Hope you're able to make a quick recovery with that. It sounds very uncomfortable.

WTG Joe. I've known 2 people that have worked for the census folks, one had a desk job and the other was a door knocker. Both of absolutely love it and wished they could do it 365 every year. Funny you mention this cuz one of them knocked on my door last week

@Mark - I've been watching some videos of vapefast from Dumwaldo's Ustreams. I'll have to see if I can find you in there somewhere, but dang he left that netbook sitting on the table charging for nearly an hour!

Brian, I love you... Like, seriously man. Thank god tomorrow is payday. Bank account depleted due to my orders from madvapes and cigtechs yesterday. The moment I see my deposit tomorrow, Nhaler will have a new customer! P.S. Despite my talk of trying to refresh that page every 15mins, I still missed it! Not my fault though... The wife came home with steaks for me to grill, and my old friend bud called me and said to pick up 6 of his friends from the convenience store EDIT: Yup FTJoe is right. I just refreshed it again and it shows out of stock. Did I really see that it was in stock? Holy crap. Either it was wishful thinking or everyone in the country is doing the same dang thing we are

Good find there Luke, thanks for sharing! And another excellent point about drinking more water while vaping. For me personally, I feel less cravings for water since I've switched to vaping (nothing like a burnt analog to dry out your mouth). But I vape nearly all VG nowadays, so that may have something to do with it too. I've heard lots of folks mention that VG feels more drying to their mouth/throat than PG, but to me it's completely the opposite. I'm also glad to hear that PG itself is biodegradable. Yet another substance that in itself doesn't cause concern. Thank you sir!