Christopher

Looks a lot like the Panasonic NCR18650 found here; https://www.vaportalk.com/us/product/panasonic-ncr18650pf-3-6v-2900mah-rechargeable-li-ion-battery/

If your dentist suggests using an electronic cigarette, we have plenty of starter kit options in the Vapor Talk Store: https://www.vaportalk.com/us/product-category/ecig-starter-kits/ If you're looking for something really a simple, a setup like the D16 or an "AIO" (all in one starter kit) might be a good first choice. As for your question as to "are they safe." That's really subjective, when comparing almost anything against traditional tobacco, the likelihood of it "being safer" has a high probability. At the end of the day though, you have to make that decision. (To be frank, we're legally limited to what we can or cannot say due to regulation) What I can say though, is that Vapor Talk is very transparent about it's products. We publicly list our testing information and ingrediants right on our product pages. We're also PMTA registred (though not PMTA approved, no company is as of yet).

Nooooo, say it ain't so

Scroll up You gave em a warning lol

Darn...cute poster comes on board... spammer. And of course, Vapor Talk Black Label. Which is the only liquid the forum members use. Right Guy? RIIIIGGGHT? (Hovers over the ban button)

I have a pair of these I use when working on my mechanical clocks. It's nerdy looking, but they're the best damn things I ever purchased for working on small parts. Bonus: Eye protection when a part comes flying at you.

If you want to nerd out to vaping supplies you've come to the right place! I remember vaping back in 2008 and people losing their minds. ARE YOU SMOKING DRUGS SIR???!!!! ARE YOU!?!? ...Calm yourself sir, it's an e-cigarette. Seriously though, welcome to the forum! You're in good company. And if you don't ever just want to hang back, don't forget to hit the lounge sub forum.

And so it starts. I was fortunate enough to try and review one of Pro Vapes very early mods. It must have been a bit odd to see a competitor review one of their products. But what I can say, they made fantastic, solid, well built devices. It was easy to tell from first use, they took pride in their work. I hate to see them go and to see another great business fall that is subject to the FDA's deeming regulation. It doesn't please me to see a competitor go. At least not in this manner. Competition is good. It's healthy. I wish Pro Vape and their team, the best of luck on their future endeavours. http://www.provape.com/

It really is ridiculous. I think most vape shop owners are ok with some type of regulation that makes sense. Something that benefits the consumer, keeps things safe and ensures everyone stays above board. (Especially with some of the basement mixing that was going on). But we are mixing in an ISO certified clean room, in a multi-million dollar facility. Vapor Talk has always gone above and beyond the call of duty to ensure our customers are informed about our products. Each Black Label product page in the VT store has analysis sheets uploaded. (Certifying they are free of nasties) We are open and honest about what's in our products so that adult consumers can make an educated decision to purchase our products. (Which is more than can be said about a lot of these fly by night liquid "manufactures") The EU released TPD. It's strict regulation, with stringent rules in place to protect children (drip rate limits, child safety caps etc) and a clear set of guidelines for companies. Most owners agree, the rules are a headache, but they make sense. They have government studies showing e-cigarettes are safer than traditional tobacco (they don't shy away from that) and at a cost that would set us back by about 25,000 grand for our entire line of liquids, I can't help but shake my head. That legislation makes sense. Most current vape companies could handle that kind of regulation. If they're new, a decent business loan would cover the costs and they'd recover quickly. There's also no cutoff and it's ok to introduce new flavors/devices so long as they follow the TPD guidelines. (Which while difficult, is doable by any business) It's just frustrating. We've got investors willing to back TPD no problem. They were ok with PMTA until informed that there is no guarantee of passing, even if everything is done by the book. That is what makes absolutely no sense to me. I was talking to a major manufacturing company in the US (They product a good chunk of liquids that are then relabeled for sale) and asked how bad PMTA is going to affect the US market. He said, in his opinion, 95% or greater will likely close their doors if things remain the same. Many online retailers would be limited to selling a few brands that managed to make it through PMTA. But even that makes little sense as most of those PMTA approved companies are going to sell directly on their own websites. Kanger, JoyeTech, Aspire etc are not going to PMTA their entire lines of hardware due to the asinine costs involved. Anyway, I'm ranting. Over the coming weeks, most of my meetings/phone calls will revolve around PMTA. I'll keep everyone in the forum in the loop. We will do everything in our power to stay operational in the US.

No we have a full blown company in China now. Ironically, there are no Chinese forums just yet. We have a corporate office in Qingdao (50 employees) and a small office in Hong Kong. Black Label is distributed over there along with the Vapor Talk Dallas Pro and a few other hardware products we don't sell in the states. We also have a mod that I hope to see released in the next year or so. It's something I designed years ago and it's great to see it actually become a real physical product. (Though nowhere near ready for sale yet)

We've completed the first steps of PMTA. But it counts for about less than 1% of all that is required. In order to carry only Vapor Talk Black Label (drop all of our classic liquids) and carry only one or two pieces of hardware we own, we're looking at around 5-10 million dollars. The issue is, there is no guarantee the FDA will approve our application and we could be forced to run through the procedure again... (That's the real issue here) That's a lot of responsibility over my head. After going through this one or two times, you can see how the costs could quickly ruin a person. At some point you have to decede if it's worth investing in the US market. (We could do a full blown marketing campaign with some of the best marketing companies in Europe, open a corporate office, take a vacation with Richard Branson and invite all the VIP members on the forum and still have more money left over when you compare the cost to PMTA) My heart is here, I want funds in the US economy. But when a government agency requires 5-10 million for your product to be on the market with a "then maybe we'll let you sell but maybe not" as a result... it's a difficult decision to make. We're not by any means big tobacco. Not even close. The margins on products these days are not nearly enough to cover those costs. But at least at the moment, we are continuing forward with PMTA. One step at a time. We're working with a couple of consulting firms and once we've settled on one and a group of experts really help us understand the complete direction, I'll have a better idea of where we'll be in two years. That's about all I can say on the matter at the moment

lol no I think it's well beyond the steep date. (Though I'm not a huge believer in steeping) I guess it's like anything else, use your judgement, smell it and see what you think. On the plus side, as long as I can help it, the forum will continue in well beyond PMTA. We will at least always have Vapor Talk as a source of information in the future. Even if we can't operate in the USA, remember, we have Vapor Talk China too

To be honest I've never tried. Would I vape Vapor Talk e liquids after 4 years? Probably. Thing is, nobody, that I'm aware of, has actually done a study on the shelf life of eliquid. it's a long story but the two year mark was created in vaping's early days as a guideline. If the color had gone off though, I probably wouldn't vape it. (Personally) The most important thing when storing e liquid is keeping it away from sunlight. Room temperature is usually adequate. Sunlight however will eventually break down the nicotine content.

That's odd. I've got some VT e-liquid here that's almost 4 years old and other than being a bit cloudy, looks almost the same. It shouldn't turn black...

You got it I'll def need some testers. I'll likely post again after the store move.

It probably wouldn't be impossible, but at the very least you couldn't buy it from any vape based store. (It's not worth the fines/risk for most) I think if your determined enough, well, you can buy just about anything on the internet. But generally speaking, it will become much more difficult and less readily available. There are at least 4 stores that are linked to this forum fairly often that I know plan to bow out in 2018 (end). They are some of our competitors but it pains me to see them go. I'd rather a business leave because of crappy decision making or the free market at work, not because of some ridiculous, makes absolutely zero sense legislation.

Thanks for the feedback. The topics on the front page, is actually a sort of test (we'll monitor over the next 30 days) we're doing. After that I'd like to invite some members to test a new software system we're working on. (That may or may not ever get released) We'll see how things go. Change is annoying, but it can sometimes result in good things

That's exactly what it is. And holy moly, let me get you up to speed with PMTA. (You know what, I need to make some bullins about this on the forum. I get so wrapped up on things I forget to push the information down sometimes) PMTA is regulation that was passed by the FDA on August of last year. The enforcement period starts to happen this year. It goes into full force the end of next year. The gist of it is this, no new products can be sold on the market as of August 28th, 2016. Unless it was sold or available before that date. The real issue though is the e liquid. There is a list of tasks vendor most complete if they want to remain on the market. 1. Submit manufacture information to the FDA (Vapor Talk just passed this phase) as required. Failure to do so could result in fines and/or worse. 2. Ingredient submission ( the deadline was this month but, it's been pushed back another 6 months). e Liquid manufacturers must test and submit ingredients to the FDA by the next deadline. (Vapor Talk Black Label has certification right no the product page. We share the info publicly) 3. The big one... PMTA is extremly complicated but the gist of it is this: We must go through human trials among a full blown list of other requirements in order to continue selling eliquid and other hardware products beyond the end of 2018. As it stands, if using a consulting firm or similar the cost is roughly 800,000 - 1 million dollars PER SKU. (One flavor, 3 strengths would cost between 600,000 and 3 million dollars depending on a number of different factors) If you don't adhere to PMTA or cannot afford it, you must pull your products before the deadline. Additionally there are labeling requirements (for example no cartoon characters, no candy type images etc) This is were most of the dumping of products can been seen. In fact I've seen a ton of vendors selling pretty close to cost. Right now a number of companies do not plan to go through PMTA. They are selling off their bulk and will close down. (They don't want to advertise this for fear you'll stop buying their brand and opt to use another because customers want consistency) Totally Wicked for example, have been around forever. Since we started. They are pulling out of the US market and will only operate in Europe. As it stands, if things don't change, 95+% of the vendors you shop with now will no longer be in business. Most of your favorite products will no longer be available if they aren't PMTA registered. (That's almost all of them) It's not.. looking good. The attitude many of is "I mix my own stuff I'm not worried." That's true, but that doesn't mean it won't still have a huge effect on device and supplies. Most won't or don't mix their own products. I hate to think of how many people will continue using traditional tobacco after the vaping industry goes under in the US. You can read more about PMTA here: https://www.vaportalk.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-pmta/ So to answer, Yes vendors are selling of eliquids cheap and it's because of PMTA. (The VT store even has a sale on a number of eliquids under the deals page. Most at close to cost. No profit margins)

Thanks Now that most of the big changes are completed, it's on to polishing up some of the finer aspects.

You're most welcome

ok done. Please visit the homepage again and let me know if it loads ok.

No not at all. Chances are it's the new chatbox causing problems. This will happen most notable on older or slower connections. Chances are, if it's happening to you, it's happening to others as well. I'll disable it for the moment until I can make some tweaks to the script. One moment...

ok so the screenshot is a little small but I see to problems here. One the menu on your screen looks weird. Two is the slowness. Does this only happen on the homepage? (If so, it's the new chatbox causing problems)

Choose "block" instead of "not now" that will prevent the popup. (Click the arrow to see more options)

ah I see. Push Notifications are a fairly new thing. The forum software we use has it built in as it makes sense given the type of website it is. (It's actually handy but not necessary needed). Browsers don't yet handle the questions in my opinion very well. Anytime you hit "not now" it will always ask you again when you visit or refresh. It's just the way it is at the moment until developers figure out a better way to handle notification systems as everyone and their mom starts adding them to their websites. Annoying...but normal. By the way thanks for staying patient. I know this always ends up being 20 questions but it's sometimes difficult to narrow down what's going on your side without being there.