Christopher

Sean should be over in a little while (I think he's just waking up) But from what I understand, as long as you rince it out afterwards their is no effect from the suger

I think it's the liquid as a whole. However they argue that "it could contain high level of nicotine bla bla bla" so their argument would hold much weight when it's comes to the zero nic. Although it doesn't have the nic, perhaps it could habit with the habitual aspect of things if someone was on the patch or gum.

don't know how I missed this post! Thanks man I appreciate it. We've gotten a ton of comments about it. What type of music do you play?

I've never heard of ecig-galleria.com but please let us know how it goes.

Hmmm I may try that on my Penstyle, at the moment I only dry smoke. I was like you and smoked ALOT. I have a steamer at home that I use on my business suites, I bet it would be create for the material.

You can absolutely drop your entire atomizer into water! Didn't you check out our how to clean your atomizer post? I wash my automizers about once a week to every 2 weeks. I drop them in a bottle of water, let them soak over night. Poor the water out and repeat, this time on leaving them in there for a few seconds. I just switch around until the water stays clear. Then pop them upside down on a paper towel for 24 hours and you've got yourself a brand new atomizer. The problem that we always had though is that after a while they just stop working due to the crap build up. We couldn't figure out how to get it off, so we trashed them and got new ones. Sean is washing two of his atomizers in Pepsi as we speak he is going to lift them out tomorrow and rinse them to see if it worked better than water. If so I'll test it out on one of my Penstyle atomizers. As soon as we're done we'll post back and let you know the results.

I sure havn't but I'll Google it at work

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Well I know Johnsons Creek has a Non-PG formula that is high food-grade vegetable glycerin. Not sure if that's the same thing or not.

I like the idea that it comes with two atomizers, to bad it's not great on vapor.

Here are the toxicology reports from Wicked's E Juice, very interesting and reassuring. I'm sure many liquid are very similar to Wicked's juice so this should give us a very good idea of what we are smoking. http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=d49h887_76cn2857fp

If you get some time take a look at this e-cig blog, good stuff http://www.ashtrayblog.com/

Smoking bans around the world have been promoted as essential to protect the public from the alleged hazards of secondhand smoke. In Ontario, for example, smoking has been banned in public buildings, bars, restaurants, casinos, in cars with minors under the age of sixteen, etc. Anti-smoker radicals are promoting bans in multi-unit apartment buildings, encouraging employers not to hire people who choose to smoke on or off the job and even advocating bans outside in public parks. Most anti-smoker groups have been encouraging the use of “alternate nicotine delivery systems”, like Nicoderm and Nicorettes, to help smokers “kick the habit.” This has been a big boost to the pharmaceutical industry as far as marketing their nicotine replacement products. They’ve got The Canadian Cancer Society, Physicians for a Smoke-free Canada, etc promoting pharmaceutical nicotine, so they’re saving millions on advertising and marketing. That’s why the big drug companies are the biggest supporters, financially and otherwise, of smoke free policies such as smoking bans and punitive levels of tobacco taxation. Coercing smokers into quitting creates a demand for their smoking cessation line of products and the anti-smoker radicals provide them with free advertising. So, the drug companies and anti-smoker fanatics must really be chagrined at the apparently growing popularity of the new kid on the block. The electronic cigarette, or "e-cig", allows the user to "go through the motions" of smoking without the potential risks associated with smoking tobacco. And, according to the advertising, the e-cig can provide the smoker with the sensation of smoking, without offending the non-smokers in the crowd with the smell so many of them have come to dislike so intensely. It can provide the nicotine hit demanded by the average smoker, without the need to inhale the chemical additives in cigarette tobacco thought to cause chronic disease in smokers. However, for many smokers the e-cig may not be a satisfactory alternative to the real thing. Some have complained about a definite and definitive lack of tobacco taste. But it appears that many are ready to give the e-cig a try. I should note that I haven’t actually tried the e-cig yet. The $100.00 to $150.00 for the Starter Kit is a sizable cash expenditure for an old age pensioner; especially for an experiment which may or may not prove satisfactory. But, maybe I’ll get a chance to try it before it’s banned. Yes, banned. Some anti-smoker cultists, it seems, have already made up their minds about the perils of the cigarette substitute. The World Health Organization (WHO), for example, has come out against the e-cig. WHO is warning there’s no evidence to back up contentions that e-cigarettes are a safe substitute for smoking or a way to help smokers quit. They’re also concerned that "the product may undermine smoking prevention efforts because they look like the real thing and may lure nonsmokers, including children." However, I suspect the real problem is that they don’t want anything cutting into the sales volume of their sponsors in the pharmaceutical industry. Some have questioned the advisability of exposing people to the addictive qualities of nicotine. But, I’ve made the same argument myself regarding the patch, gum and nicotine inhalers. Assuming of course that nicotine is addictive, they may help you quit smoking, but the nicotine addiction would remain, leaving you dependent on the patch or gum. That’s greater cost and less satisfaction, and that’s a bad bargain. And, some anti-smoker fanatics, naturally enough, have gone completely over the top in attacking the e-cig (and smokers who might choose to use them). For example, Serena Chen, a regional tobacco policy director of the American Lung Association is quoted in an article on The Ashtray Blog as saying: "I understand why people use the nicotine replacement aids. But I don't understand why people want to pretend that they're smoking." Nicorettes good; e-cig bad. Because it looks like you’re smoking tobacco? To what does Ms. Chen object? There’s no smell to whine about, no SHS to feed her irrational fear and she doesn’t even have to concern herself with saving the smoker from himself (or herself). I wonder if it would do any good to explain to Ms. Chen that most smokers don’t want to pretend they’re smoking, they want to smoke. And, yes most of us do understand the potential consequences of our actions. Says Ms. Chen: "If you had a serial killer who liked to stab people, would you give him a rubber knife?" Huh? Really, Ms. Chen, if a serial killer comes after me, I hope all he’s armed with is a rubber knife. It will certainly reduce my risk of bodily injury; the concept of reduced risk being one with which you should make yourself familiar. Maybe when I have a few bucks to spare, I’ll give the e-cig a try and write a proper review. Until then I’ll take a fair amount of comfort in knowing some anti-smoker cultists have their knickers in a knot over the rising popularity of the electronic cigarette. Taken from: http://fightantismokertyranny.blogspot.com...ll-smoking.html

Thanks for that post as I didn't see it! I'm glad that the suppliers are doing their best to work around the issues. If there is a will there is way! We always have a second option in the United States and that's Johnson Creek smoke juice, they don't have to worry about customs and at the moment the FDA isn't going after them. We just have to make sure we can get the hardware. We need someone to start making these here in the United States.

It's all good Bitton, thanks for staying on top of things! (That where this would normally go, but I thought it was important enough to move it here as some members don't visit the FDA thread) For those of you new to the E Smoking world, this hong kong thing really sucks. It's a bad sign. At least we still have China, but for how long? EDIT: Bitton I have merged your topic with this one.

Looks like he's on to something. I havn't tried it yet but I will by the end of the day. Great video http://www.dailymotion.com/Terraphon/video/14460742

sounds about right

Sorry it's my unwritten rule I don't tell anyone on my websites where I work or what I do. Running several sites I've met some nut jobs over the years.

This was on the totally wicked forum, Hong Kong as stopped all exportation of e-cig products. I'm at work at the moment but as soon as I get home I'll try to get more info! (Large Supplier of Liquid- http://www.totallywicked-eliquid.com/) pillbox38 Administrator Full Member Posts: 203 Hong Kong. Has banned all exportation of E.Cigs.« on: Today at 10:27:51 am » Quote Last week i was informed that the Honk Kong government had banned all exportation of e cigs and fluids. In effect throttling the supply worldwide. Up till now i thought that this was a gesture they would not follow up with any commitment. All 3 of my suppliers are having their goods returned to them. We are currently trying to find new ways to import the goods but i think it might be fair to expect a drying up of Supplies in the short term. I believe that Tobacco companies and world government pressure is being exerted on HK to do this. In effect, if the distribution of Electronic Cigarettes and Nicotine cartridges and fluid is choked at its exit point..IE Hong Kong then we have no product..

Bitton, I couldn't have said it better myself brother. Respect points just went up. I myself have to watch my words as I'm the webmaster of the site and represent it as a whole, but I can tell you I don't have the most positive view on the police, especially here in the United States. My job has me around law enforcement constantly, and although there are some awesome cops out there, there is also some really bad ones. Sad sad situations that I've seen take place.

So overall do you think it's worth the work? Does it work better than the default material that comes with the carts?

Yes those guys are a pain in the ***. That's when you pull out your Penstyle and give em' the bird

Let's just hope that more people switch over to the e-cig, then perhaps we'll have power by numbers. Again though I'm sure the FDA will have the last say

Well I'm not much of a writer but I think our video's help spread the word a bit. The more people we can get on the forums and then educated the better. You can actually submit your own press released quite easily. There are free versions out their and pay per release.

Shhh Royce don't tell them!