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Yeah, button placement is a critical factor for me. The only place that seems rational at all is at the atty end. I'm definitely going for a 6V unit after I get my VP PT, so this is a useful review for me too. Thanks Jeff! I'd be very interested in learning what 36mg or stronger juices work well at 6V. Anyone have any input on that?

This is all very nice to read. V4L has a special place in my heart because they're the ones who got my first business and they have always been great. I give them high fives all around. My wife still uses the KR808 and I refill the cartos every few days. I haven't had one fail yet and some of them have five refills on them. I also appreciate that they have 36mg juice, which is not common enough. Good company! Congratulations and thanks to you folks who are using these and spreading the word!

I haven't used VT juices because they don't have the strength I need. But I'd give my eye teeth to get to try Dulcis and Midnight.

My suggestion is that it's your time away from the gym that accounts for most of your disappointment. Once you get back into your routine I bet you'll see amazing changes.

It's good to see you so involved! You're gonna dig it, no doubt about it. You probably got protected batteries with your unit, so you probably won't be able to drain it completely. One nice thing about Li-ion batts is that you can charge them at any time without damaging them; that is, no memory. So you're good on that count. Same goes for over-charging - you can't. But it's always best not to leave batteries in the charger after they're charged. Even with protected batteries, you don't want to take a chance of fire. No, they won't, but why take a chance? I've left them in overnight many times with no problem, but I don't like to. I just get distracted easily. Bring on all the questions you can think of, we love it.

Well crap, I must have hit the wrong button - I had a long, elegant reply all written. ~Dang~ Anyway, I have prepared such a thing. I wrote a kind of summary of all the things I didn't know when I first heard about vaping, and created a CD that has my summary, the ignorant statements from the FDA and WHO, and every rebuttal to them that I've collected. In all there are 12 documents on the CD. I've given several of them to people who showed an interest in vaping, though I don't know whether there have been any converts. Time will tell. Anyway, below is a link to my little summary. Keep in mind that it's a work in progress and I haven't edited it for a couple of weeks. I always welcome input on this because I want it to be as convincing as it can be, but also objective... Some Basic Vaping Information I'm not sure that link will work for anyone but me; if it doesn't will someone tell me and I'll attach the file with the forum's attachment system. I just would like to test my link to see if I figured out how to do it in my website. There are a couple of cons to vaping. Chief among them is the thing the naysayers always throw at the media - we don't know the long-term effects of vaping. I counter this with my own dramatic health improvements and a reminder that we do know the long-term effects of smoking. Another is all the futzing around with the equipment. We're used to it so it's not a big deal but people always get a little harried with trying to make it work at first. There's a longer learning curve than just lighting an analog. A good response to this though, is simple happiness about vaping. We all have reasons we do it; share them. It works here and it can work in person. Just my experience. Schizo's probably right that most people won't read a long document; there's a reason someone invented bullet points. How about a suggestion for some? I'd like to take that idea and run with it.

This is some kind of great forum! I'm really pleased that people are willing to argue civilly; that's what democracy is for, and this is probably the best example I've ever seen of it. I'm a big believer in personal liberty, and I rue our dwindling rights. Schizophretard, you make a very good argument, very convincing and in fact absolutely true - the First Amendment does not guarantee that someone's free speech won't hurt someone else's feelings. I absolutely agree with all of the arguments that this law is unnecessary because it doesn't break any new ground, and I agree that people, perhaps even children, could reasonably be expected to exercise their rights to not-listen. That said, I also have some experience with abuse. Not personally thank God (other than the ubiquitous childhood school bullies), but I have known a number of people who have been subject to the most inhumane treatment. And guess what? The victim of abuse can't just walk away. It's psychologically virtually impossible, even for adults. Children have virtually no defense and in this case even the girl's mother didn't take the situation seriously - possibly because it's at such a remove (online) it seems unreal. But abused people get sucked in, brainwashed into believing there's no alternative, no escape. That's not hyperbole man, that is really true; abused people believe they cannot escape. They become helpless and hopeless. I don't like this law, and I don't like the misuse I expect to come of it. But I do understand what drove its conception. Mostly it's an effort for people to feel like they're doing something. Megan's case is, in my opinion, one in which the parents had more responsibility in than has been acknowledged, regardless their technical expertise. It is the definition of being a parent to protect and teach one's children. But the perpetrator had the ultimate responsibility, and in the end was not held accountable. I'm unclear how that happened, frankly. A miscarriage of justice, for sure. Would this law have made a difference? I don't know; I don't see how, but the wiki article didn't give much info to help me understand that. HR 1966 was probably born from good intentions, but I'm afraid it's likely to have an unintended effect of chilling all free speech. That is a great tragedy. (Call me Mr Understatement.)

Good stuff kitsune! Wow, all that vanilla sounds good, doesn't it? Yum. Wheels are turning... Thanks!

I am definitely going to go looking for Lorann's flavors at the list of stores given somewhere today. Watermelon sounds great, and so does butter rum... Somewhere I've seen a list of which Lorann's flavors are water soluble but I didn't save it or bookmark it, naturally. Sheesh.

Cool! I checked them both out, Flavour Art and Liberty Flights, and they sound great. I'll see how Liberty Flights does and probably order some flavors from them. I noticed they'll have cinnamon (one I've been watching for) but no clove. Dang! The value of Flavour Art may come with bulk orders. This is very interesting, even though the thread has kind of taken a turn. For what it's worth, I'm still on the same three flavors each day - watermelon, peach and 555. That's only because they're the flavors that I like the best to me so far but I keep trying new ones.

Still got mine too, and as often as I misplace my VP2 it's a good thing. I've been thinking a lot lately about getting a second unit just for backup sake as much as trying something cooler. PT first though.

I agree with this wholeheartedly, but I really can't feel too bad about making it a criminal offense for an adult to bully a child, even verbally. Whether this law would applied in that way is the point, and the point in the original article is a warning that it would not. I tend to lean in the paranoid direction in that regard myself. That's an even bigger problem than too many nanny laws - that the nanny laws are used to bully and coerce.

It's all good nana.

I read it too, thought they did a good job. I know that any help for addicts, helps more than the addict. I also know a lot of people who would be offended by this. Thanks for getting it.

I think I'd use my pressure cooker to direct the steam from boiling water (on the stove) through a coil - plastic air hose? - to condense and drip into another pot or milk jug or whatever. I don't know whether a plastic hose would work by itself, might have to cool it somehow to get the steam to condense. I also have a small lab glass condenser coil that would work for small amounts; don't think I'd try to use that though because I don't think it's big enough. This might be worth a try, or I can just keep using tap water knowing I'm building up minerals on my attys. Which might not be much better than just throwing them away. I do feel like they're better after I've boiled them though. So far.

Oh my heavens nana, I was concerned about someone taking offense from what I said! I hope it didn't come off that I was spanking anyone in this thread, but I fear it did. I only wanted to try to present an alternate view of what I agree is a really creepy act in publishing that pamphlet. It's creepy because that isn't a part of life that we're familiar with, but for those who are - and we all know how insidious addiction is, I just have a 'special' window on it - I believe it probably does serve a valuable purpose. So if I offended anyone with my remark, please accept my apology, offense was never intended. But I really do believe that prohibition only does harm.

Just to stir things up, let me say that I do not believe in prohibition. Now, this is something I couldn't countenance personally and would go out of my way to guide others in any other direction, but I think NY Dept of Health have a decent idea even if it is creepy as hell. As far as I'm concerned, there should be no such thing as "illegal drugs." Period. All that does is keep people who need help from getting help. I'll also say right now that I am a reformed addict, and I have all kinds of inside experience to back up my beliefs. You guys are fortunate if you don't have that kind of experience, but please try not to make those choices for other people. They have it hard enough already. Believe me. Dave

Hm. I think it also would have a lot to do with how you vape. I direct drip and usually do one or two good primer puffs before I suck up the vapor. I use 2.5 - 3 ml a day, so call it 20 ml a week. I smoked just over a carton of non-filters a week, and vape 48mg juice. So I spend about $15 per week on juice and spent $70 per week on analogs. Pretty good savings, even if I use a lot more juice than others do. Briefly I bought mailorder analogs which was a whole lot cheaper, but way too much hassle. And still twice what I spend vaping.

That's pretty funny Suzie! The furnace here hasn't stopped running for five days...so no dust to burn out anymore. I can really imagine your panic though, that would not have been fun. How does your husband like your vaping? He must really dig it. Good for you!

Wow, I've used them and had fantastic service. I'm sure it's just a temporary glitch, but please keep us posted how it goes. Sorry you're having trouble.

Welcome Aelle. Just to add one point - Whatever you get, you will want to carry at least one spare battery and some carts. No worse than carrying smokes and a lighter though. Good luck and have fun!

I've been looking for a decent clove too. Are there any clove flavorings that are not oil? That might be why I start mixing.

Thanks jm, great find! What's with the tobacco testing legislation in congress now? Time to get hold of my congress critters again?

Agreed, and I have all the stuff necessary to do that if I ever feel like spending a day doing it. Not a bad idea actually. But cripes, I used to see distilled water all over the place when I was a kid. I guess people don't iron anymore...

Amen to that brother!