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I doubt a lot of these mom & pop ecig businesses have the resources or inventory to take advantage of that business.

OMG that thing is long.... ( oh if I had a dime every time I heard that ) You aint kidding about being able to beat someone down with that.

I found it concerning that Brad is a advertiser on VTV and some of the VTV staff was defending him and at times berating those in chat.

This is the email BE is sending out... Hello Everyone, Due to recent independent titration analyses we have decided to reveal our own internal methods of testing and quality control as well as our own independent analysis of liquids that have been diluted before they have arrived at our distribution facility. As I have stated before, we dilute pure nicotine down to just over 10% strength before it arrives at our distribution facility. At that point we have an independent GC/MS done to give us an accurate reading of the product ingredients and strengths. The diluted product comes in at about 11 to 13% in strength. We then we do a final adjustment to bring the product to an actual 10% strength. The reason for this is "if the product were to come in weaker than the target 10%", we would have no way of increasing the strength due to the fact that we only work with 10% strength or lower in the distribution facility. We admit that mistakes could be made in labeling which could result in a product labeled as 48 mg/ml strength and actually be 100 mg/ml. Even a mistake like this could be dangerous and if we have made this type of mistake then all we could do is offer our humblest apologies and / or a replacement product. A product that is testing at at 272 mg/ml and labeled at 100 mg/ml is more than dangerous, it could be deadly. In all of our analyses (internal or independent) over the last two years we have never received a diluted batch for testing that was over 14%. We test every diluted batch and we will now post the latest independent tests online every time a new batch is run. For clarity we will label each independent test that will match a lot number on every bottle that goes out. Furthermore on some occasions we may run out of nicotine during a big sale at which point we may use products from other US vendors. Due to this we will also be posting random independent tests on other US vendors as well. Please look for our current independent GC/MS reports at http://www.boxelderchemicalsupply.com/110811pgtest.pdf With that being said, we feel that this issue is starting to appear more like a smear campaign against our company and less like a valid scientific exploration of the products we all use and vape. We appreciate the support from all of our customers and assure you all that we are extremely confident in our own internal safety procedures as well as the credibility of our independent testing labs and the quality of US vendors that we may utilize from time to time. So confident that I am willing to sign my name to this message and not hide behind an obscure username on a forum or the posting of a forum user that has never returned to respond to an original post. Due to the fact that an unscrupulous company or individual could easily take our labeled product and increase or decrease the strength in an effort to disparage our hard earned name and reputation, we will be converting to a tamper resistant bottle for all of our nicotine products and we will only be responding to forum posted tests from credible laboratory testing facilities that will verify that they received what appears to be an un-opened un-tampered bottle of our product. We will not be responding to chemistry students who possibly are on the correct and intelligent path towards testing a given substance but who may also be unknowingly party to the destruction of one company for the benefit of another. We realize that there are many issues associated with this business and we want to do our part to provide a new level of transparency to this whole industry. Sincerely, Brad Bacher www.boxelderchemicalsupply.com 888-962-5877

I think it would be a good idea for the USA juice suppliers to disclose where they get their nic from.

It's not a 510 or 306 as they have male threads. This particular atty has female threads. Check the link.

Here's a link to a pic of the attys. http://www.e-healthcigarettes.com/store/p/31-TWIN-PACK-Atomizers-Atomisers-For-Health-E-Cig-E-Health-Cig.aspx

Nice looking unit. A little pricey for a non VV unit IMHO.

I read that Box Elder, Gourmet Vapors & Honeville are all owned by the same guy.

Originally Posted By Kurt, a very well known and respected chemist at ECF- Houston, we have a problem...BE nic titration results Just to bring people back up to speed with this issue, several people here suspected that their Box Elder unflavored nic was too high compared to the labeled concentration. Someone claimed to have tested that theirs was 240 mg/mL. Others stated that theirs was also strangely strong. I, on the other hand, suspected mine was just different somehow, since it had no TH and very little odor in the 100 mg VG I bought. I offered to run full titration pH-curve analysis on any nic that was sent to me, since I was interested in nic level as well as freebase/nic-salt ratio. Several sent me samples of theirs, and I am presenting the results here, after spending much of the day doing these as accurately as possible. At some point during the discussions, BE decided to send an email out to all its customers stating that it was impossible for anyone to receive >200 mg nic, and people should be assured that whatever the nic level was that was ordered, that was the nic level received. Titration curves are not difficult to obtain, but to do them accurately requires specialized glassware and electronics. In my 30 year career I have done 1000s of such titrations. What I did: I used a PASCO pH probe calibrated to within 0.001 pH points at buffer pHs of 4, 7, and 10. I also used a calibrated PASCO drop counter, allowing accuracy to within about 1/30th of a mL during the titration. I used volumetric pipets and volumetric flasks to make dilutions for the nic liquids to be titrated, and I titrated with standardized 0.0730M HCl. pH at 0 mL titrant was measured to estimate freebase/salt ratio, and pH curve was created to past the first equivalence point (2nd inflection point). Each nic sample sent to me was titrated 3 times at least, and most samples sent were enough to do another set of 3 titrations. The nic concentration was then calculated from the titrant volume at the first equivalence point, back calculating to the original sample concentration. All samples, including my own sample, were virtually all freebase form, base on initial pH and final nic content found. I will give the results in two columns. The first is the nic content as given on the label. Second column will be the nic conc as determined by the above method. Nic labeled.....Nic determined 100 mg....48 mg (This one was mine. Thanks BE.) 100 mg....120 mg 100 mg....272 mg 48 mg....78 mg 36 mg....51 mg 48 mg....59 mg 100 mg....98 mg (this was my MFS 100 mg VG) I would say the intrinsic error is less than 2% for all of these. These results are as accurate as is obtainable, IMHO. I knew the one that gave the result of 272 mg was way high when I opened it, as it was so strong in nic odor that I had to work with it in a fume hood for the dilutions. It was also honey-amber, whereas the others were either colorless or slight yellow. 272 mg nic was likely the base they diluted to 100 mg from, or else they were mistakenly sent a lot of 100 mg nic that was actually 272 mg. I don't give a rat's a$$ what their excuse is, someone could well have died from this! I am a seasoned chemist, and this liquid was seriously scary to work with. Clearly there is more concern with CYA than actually testing their nic. Had they been responsible and expressed concern and actually tested their nic, this might have been avoided, but they instead chose to lie and even condescend as to how ridiculous the idea of levels being sold wrong was, and how oh so professional they are. For this community, this is about as bad as it can get. I strongly recommend Box Elder be banned from ECF, and the word should be spread to other ecig forums. The FDA would have a field day with this. If others want their nic analyzed, PM me. Vendors, you are now on notice. Either self-regulate and KNOW what you are selling, quantitatively, or else you are putting people, as well as the industry itself, in grave danger. I have no problem buying small quantities of unflavored nic solely for testing purposes. You have been warned. I am seriously outraged by this. Last edited by Kurt; Today at 08:21 PM. Please post any other info on the subject that you come across.

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You should have your order from Vapor Talk & LiteCig this week. Most likely Crown Lion is shipping from China so it may take 2 weeks. Usually if you order from a US supplier you should have your order within 3-4 days. Dont forget Friday was a holiday so anything ordered on the 10th wouldnt have been shipped until Saturday. If your luck is anything like mine all your orders will arrive tomorrow after you have left for your vacation.

Awesome little unit!!! Nice work

Here's a review of the eGo-C:

Hi Matt welcome to Vapor Talk. Actually the eGo came out first and the Lux is a knock off. It appears to be a rebranded VGO.

I had the same experience as you Troop. My wife uses the tank exclusively and loves it. She has not had any leaking issues that others have reported.

You can set it aside and see if it dries out eventually. Luckily cartos are relatively inexpensive and they are disposable. Buy some replacements and you'll be good to go.

Sounds like you didnt get all the water out and it may be flooded. Try this method to get all the liquid out:

Vapor Talk has eGo's in stock http://www.vaportalkstore.com/products/Joye-eGo.html

I prefer weiners.

Why are these stupid cat pics so popular? I just don't get it.

This one looks interesting: A slight change to the tank system http://www.joyetech.com/product/eGoC.php

Welcome to Vapor Talk DC. Juice loses its flavor for me also after using it for awhile. I like to keep a few different flavors in rotation to keep my mouth confused Ive tried many different juice suppliers and I have narrowed down my preference to: http://www.vaportalkstore.com/ http://avejuice.com/ Im sure others will be along to give their favs

Well....... if you too!!!!

Hey Jay, in 2 weeks, Provape will be offering the Provari with a blue screen and button.