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Thanks for the welcome. What do I think? 1. Using a version 1.0 Indulgence at 7.4 volts with Chinese batteries is stupid. 2. The vmod xl is dollar for dollar a great setup. 3. That vision thing may be a game changer. 4. The ego vv battery will be a game changer if they do it right. 5. Bo Derek is the best thing to happen since 1980. 6. The guy making Reo mods makes a great product with great margins. He will rue the fact that he is not meeting market demand as it will not be around forever. 7. Folks playing the coupon game and rebranding game will be hurting. The folks that have seen the light and moved into the e-liquid based game will enjoy the good times for another 6 months or so. 8. Competing with China sucks. Low volume means low profits and high volume means they will copy and undercut you. 9. Turn the battery into a commodity, then a recyclable attomizer, then diy juice and what have you got?

Follow the math. The gov makes big bucks on the cig taxes but they pay it on the back end with medicare and the like. The only reason they exist is because they provide almost an annuity like stream of taxes to Washington. That stream will be broken down into lesser taxes on the front end and lower costs on the back medical end. Net net to the Feds. But a very bad , bad time to be a middle of the road internet vendor. Standardization means commodization and lower margins. How many folks can compete when 70 % of the market will be an ego vv battery (if it works)? Tough way to make a living trying to sell a $28 item for $1 less than the next guy. And the big guys like madvapes can step up to the plate and buy 10,000 a shot to get the lowest prices. This will happen. Too many folks selling the same stuff. Notice all the coupons and steals and the like. Need a program to track them. Again watch the prices on the LT and similar tube mods. Dropping 40% in the last two months or so.

I agree with what you said. The huge sweet spot of the market is an analog sized device with an all day battery and efficient juice delivery system. But that is a few years off. I said that this summer will see the emergence of a vv ego with a better vision thing as almost an industry standard. The mini will follow but we ain't there yet. Hell, a few years ago I used those freakin 801 pens with polyfill and chinese jungle juice and thought it was the bee's knees. Imagine what the next few years hold now that the profit potential is obvious to more and more.

Yes, Big Cig is evil, but they ain't stupid. Will the hardware get much better and much cheaper? Yup. the folks importing and reselling the same stuff as 10 other guys with a rebranded name are in for a world of hurt. The guys that do high quality and unique mods will make money as they should considering the value they add. Will e-liquid get cheaper? Yup, but you won't be able to tell since they will slap a large tax on it. Probably a wash net net. DIY folks will be able to find a way to flavor their stuff. Large companies make the juice and the prices fall 50% then the government slaps a 100% tax on it. No effect on the price.

Ask yourself a few basic question. Imagine if a large company with proven manufacturing experience put together a major ego type battery factory and the boys from Bentonville (Wal-Mart) bought them in bulk. We are talking about 1100 mah ego batts on the shelves at wal mart for $9.99 with vv ego batts for $16.99 Those numbers are realistic and that is what will happen in two years if big cig does not muck things up.

Gotta agree to disagree here, Hoss. I see only a few vendors doing real size and taking advantage of economies of scale. Most were not even in the game a few years ago. There markups are large and margins fat, but they are forced to do so. Most do not have years of experience with China. Quality control issues are many. The products change quickly. How would you like to be sitting on an inventory of 1,000 ego booster for sale at $60 with a $30 vv ego battery that might even work hitting the shelves in a month? Big tobacco can't do squat now. Vaporizers cannot be stopped. Rebuild able atties, DIY juices. Yeah I guess they could put odd battery sized batteries and Loranns flavoring behind the counter like they do with cough syrup since the meth heads went nuts. The product market will become more consolidated and standardized around an ego type unit. This will last until they can devise a hard hitting boost smoove type thing with a longer battery life. And standardization and commoditization means lower margins and lower prices.

Actually it was an indulgence version 1 that I was playing russian roulette with at 7.4 volts. Strangely enough at the time I was living in China and used to have strange street urchins come into my office off the street offering to buy used batteries and empty analog cigarette boxes. Obviously they relabeled and sold the batts and refilled the boxes as the holograms were hard to defeat on the packages. Yet still I stacked those 3.7 chinese things in a now prehistoric metal tube mod. Stuck on stupid I was. The vmod xl rocks in my opinion. A 4.5 volt ego vv battery with an 8 hour life rocking a 1.5 3 ml. vision would be sweet.

First time poster long time vaper here. Same story as most. Started with the 801 which didn't get it done. Got an ego and mistakenly and stupidly vaped it at 7.4 for a few months before I figured what I was doing with fugazi Chinese batteries and put it down. Back to the analogs. Got an ego and dripped dripped dripped. Pain in the butt, but it got me off the analogs. Got the VMOD xl and it actually works very well. Even having good results with the ego visions on my ego but the effect is not the same as 1.5 ohm atty with true 3.7 volt on the vmod. Anywhoo, I see big changes coming in the next few months. Joyetech may get the VV ego battery right and gotvapes and others will eventually put together a hard hitting low resistance crack free ego tank vision stardust thingy. Nice form factor, reliability and a decent price will put the hurt on a few vendors. I see the price of several vv tube mods dropping like Oprah on ice skates. They know what is on the horizon. I see lots of good things for consumers this summer. Cheaper, better, faster. Kind of like Steve Austin the $6 million dollar man.'' The folks doing high quality craftsman like wood mods and such will always have a market, but the mass market is going to change quickly methinks. What say you?