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Vapor talk store....summer melon, macchiatio.

Veteran vaper .....all my hardware needs

ecig express....all my DIY needs

FlavourArt: Food Flavoring. Very wide selection of flavorings. Not as concentrated as Lorann, but has a wider variety of flavoring and less artificial coloring. Variety of Tobacco flavorings.
Freedomsmokeusa and liberty flights both carry a very good selection of FlavourArt flavorings.

Freedomsmokeusa
:Liberty-Flights

Decadent Vapors/Totally Wicked: The Decadent vapor line is produced in the UK.
Decadent Vapors

There are other products and suppliers out there. These are just the ones I use most often and am familiar with.
Schilling and Mccormick flavorings will also work--they are just not as concentrated.

Hopefully Last but not least......



Supplies:
1.Empty dropper bottles- 3ml, 5ml, 10ml sizes are great for mixing.
2. Pipette or syringe with blunt needle. Personally, I prefer using a syringe for mixing--More accurate.
3. paper towel or rag for handling any spills or messes
4. Labels are good for identifying your new mixes. If using paper labels I have found that applying scotch tape over the

label keeps the label legible.
5. mixing calculator helps with acheiving the correct nicotine strength. There are other calculators out there, but I

like Todd Muellers: http://www.todmuller.com/ejuice/ejuice.php . I usually put my flavor at 30 - 40%. I like lots of

flavor.

Mixing -can be simple (combining premixed liquids to create a new flavor) or more complicated, mixing from scratch. Or

somewhere in between.

1. Always start your mixing or experimentation with small amounts. Its much easier to throw out a small amount of liquid

if it turns out bad. The 3ml bottles are great for experimenting.
2. Its a good idea to keep track of what and how much you have added to your mix--just in case you want to make more.

**It is easy enough to mix 2 or more premixed liquids together to get a new flavor. This is easiest if you are using the

same nicotine strength.
i.e.- Tobacco 18mg/Watermelon 18mg/menthol 18mg/pina colada 18mg. The amounts would depend on taste.
Start with 5 drops of each in a 3ml bottle, shake and vape--can adjust the flavor as you want by adding more of one of

the flavors.
with the menthol--using just 1-2 drops/3ml will give a nice cool throat hit without tasting like menthol.

** Can use PG/VG or both to cut a higher strength liquid. i.e.- 24mg premixed liquid 1ml can be mixed with 1ml PG or VG

to make 12mg/ml liquid. If cutting a premixed flavor, keep in mind, it will also decrease the flavor. If you don’t want

the flavor loss you can cut with 0 nicotine strength in the same or a different flavor. You can also use flavorings to

boost the flavor. use the calculator to determine how much PG/VG to use to achieve the desired strength. Just put 0 in

the water and flavor boxes.

** Adding Flavoring to premixed liquids
This is actually one of the easiest forms of mixing and is a great place to start the DIY journey. We all have flavors

we don’t really care for, but by adding flavoring you can create a flavor you like.

Keep in mind--when adding flavoring it will dilute the nicotine strength of the premixed liquid. one way around this is

to get some unflavored higher nicotine liquid- i.e. 36mg that can be added to your mix to keep the nicotine strength at

your desired level.

My preferred nicotine level is 12mg/ml--so I will use that dose for mixing examples.

i.e.-- cappuccino 36mg/ml, 1.7ml + FlavourArt apple pie flavoring 1.5ml + VG 1.8ml for a total of 5ml 12mg/ml.
This is where the calculator comes in handy. Just put in the numbers, hit enter and the calculations are done for you.

This is where having a syringe is helpful.
However if you are using drops, I have found that 30 drops of PG = 1ml and 20 drops of VG = 1ml.
You can use more than one flavoring: cappuccino 1.7ml + apple pie flavoring 1ml + Vanilla 1ml + VG 1.3 ml = 5ml 12mg/ml

Don’t be afraid to mix more than one flavor. When cooking, most dishes require more than one flavor to get the right

taste.

** mixing from scratch
You will need PG and/or VG
Unflavored Nicotine liquid ( I usually use 36mg/ml)
Flavorings of choice

i.e. Easy
Watermelon 12mg/ml
3 ml PG or VG
1 ml Lorann Watermelon flavoring
2 drops Menthol flavoring (Flavourart)
2 ml 36mg/ml Unflavored liquid

i.e. using multiple flavors:

Apple Pie (6ml) 18mg/ml

3 ml 36/mg unflavored
1 ml FlavourArt(FA) Apple Pie
6 drops (Flavourart) Irish Cream
2 drops (FA) perique black (tobacco)
3 drops (FA) menthol
.5ml PG
.5ml VG
3 drops hazelnut
6 drops vanilla


** Misc Notes
Tobacco Flavorings are very, very strong--a little goes a very long way. A couple drops to 5ml will give a nice

background flavor. If using more, add a drop or 2 at a time to taste.

Lorann flavorings are very concentrated. You would use less Lorann than you would with other flavorings.

Avoid flavorings with oils or sugars--both can damage your atomizer.

If you find your mix needs to be sweeter there are a couple of options:
1. Loranns cotton candy or Marshmallow flavorings are great for adding sweetness.
2. DIY flavor shack carrys Eythol Malto which is a sweetener.
3. I actually prefer the Lorann--overall sweeter tasting.
4. I add a few drops of Menthol to all my mixes-adds a cool throat hit and enhances the flavor. Just a little does not

taste like menthol. If you like menthol, just add more.
5. always start mixing with small amounts and keep track of what and how much.
6. For taste testing--dripping works best.

Mixing is a lot of trial and error in the beginning.
Add flavoring a little at a time until you find the balance you like will help keep waste to a minimum.

I am hoping others will be able to add their tips and ideas. the above is just my own opinion and my own experience.

If all or part of this is confusing please let me know-writing documents is not my strong suit !!!!

Merry Mixing

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2 vision clearomizers purple 2.1-2.4 ohm
2 vision clearomizers (clear) 2.5-2.9 ohm
5 pack DCT cartomizers

I frequently have the same problem. sometimes if you set them aside to steep for a bit, that can help. I find when I am having trouble with my taste buds I try to mix up something new. then when I go back to my favorites they taste good again.

I vape a lot of coffee type flavors, so if I switch to fruit flavors for a few days, that seems to help reset my taste buds.

That really does sound strange. Not sure if possibly the wrong strength of nicotine or possibly a strange reaction to one of the flavors.....

If you already diluted it down, I would lean toward a reaction to one of the flavors. If you are still getting strong throat hit....maybe try diluting a bit more and see how that works.

If you like coffee type flavors I highly recommend Flavour arts coffee espresso...a little goes a long way. It has become one of my staple flavors....mix with tiramisu, apple pie, cinnamon/carmel (cinnamon roll).
http://www.ecigexpress.com/coffee-espresso-by-flavourart-select-size-620.html

I have tried many coffee flavors, and this one just seems to be the closest. not to mention its a clear flavor...some of the coffees are very dark.

Exactly !!! its much easier to add a bit more than to try to take it away. I usually mix at about 20-25% depending on the mix. some tobacco flavors are very, very strong and only need a couple of drops.

menthol flavoring works a bit better, but the creme de menthe helps.....just very small amounts !! ya, I've lots count of all the flavorings. I have my staples, but keep all the rest just in case or to spice up a flavor.

Yes you can !! just be careful how much you keep stored....the flavor does change overtime, but a couple/three months worth should be good. you will also find your taste will change along the way....I am always fussing with my flavors.

The best part about DIY, if the flavor doesn't taste right, you can always fix it !!

No worries. Glad to help out. Its great to have a place to ask before you invest more money. Just have fun. Lots and lots of trial and error.
ask away if you run into more questions.

I've highlighted the items I use most often when mixing. the 3ml bottles are the most helpful for mixing small amounts. as far as the kit....sounds like a good combination of items, you may find you won't need some of it. but that part is up to you.

Currently I use 100mg/ml nicotine for mixing.....Keep in mind, Its is very toxic at this strength, then again 60mg/ml is nothing to get careless with either.

Most bases, flavorings etcs come in PG. for PG/VG mixes you need to take this into account.

I use the eliquid recipe manager for android on my phone. can help manage PG/VG rations, multiple flavorings etc.

These 2 links are for quart size PG and VG. you can buy it by the gallon(s) for cheaper, but it is way too much and will expire before you can use it. Before investing a ton in DIY, start small and see if you like it.

http://www.amazon.com/Glycerin-Vegetable-Kosher-USP-Quart/dp/B004C7MTLA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1372754260&sr=8-1&keywords=usp+vegetable+glycerin
http://www.amazon.com/Propylene-Glycol-Food-Grade-Quart/dp/B005PZBRUC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1372754187&sr=8-1&keywords=usp+pg

Hope that helps a little. give a shout out if you need more info. We have a few DIYers on the forum.
Merry Mixing

As you can tell, I love DIY. For me it started as a search for stronger flavors, as I am flavor challenged. I love the endless possibilities.

If you have any questions or trouble, just ask. There are quite a few of us that love to help out.

Hope it helps !!! ask away, we have a few DIYers here.

Water soluable flavors mix better with the PG and VG bases. oil based flavorings can kill the heating elements. the oils gunk up the coils.
Most of the flavors at these sites are water soluable
http://www.ecigexpress.com/
http://www.onestopdiyshop.com/products/The-Flavor-Apprentice-Professional-Flavors.html

I haven't found a good way to get rid of the perfume flavor with certain flavors....I just end up moving to a new flavor.

I don't know that there is an exact answer to steeping. some flavors get better when they have had a bit of time to sit and settle. I do notice that most of my mixes change a bit after they have sit a while, sometimes better, sometimes weaker.
personally, I don't worry much about steeping....I mix it to my taste and vape, if I need to touch it up later, then I add some more flavor or add something new.

Change in color is not uncommon. just the flavors combining or steeping I guess.

The brown color when leaking from the carto is caused by the heat from the carto...most colors darken quite a bit when heated.

Its all about personal taste. That is the best part of DIY...making to your own personal tastes. TPA has some great flavors. Mind you I have Been DIYing for 2 years and have been collecting flavors along the way. It takes a while and a bit of experimenting to find the flavors you like best.

With the fruit flavors...have you tried adding a bit of flavoring to any existing premixed liquids?
sometimes that works better than mixing from scratch.

I really like flavor Arts Apple Pie (one of my favorites), no perfumy taste, Flavor Art Tiramisu- also a bit sweet. Both of these I use up to 30 % flavoring and no perfume.
The most perfumy is the fruit type flavors. The best for fruit for me is Lorann watermelon--really concentrated and sweet.
I like flavor west chocolate mint...mixes great with coffee flavors.

For sweeteners, I use marshmallow flavoring. For cheaper rates you can go straight to the manufacturer...Both Perfumers apprentice and Flavor west have very good Marshmallo.
Caramel is another great sweet type flavor....perfumers apprentice and flavorart are my favorites there.

The real fruit type flavors are the hardest to mix with....they just never seem to taste quite right to me.

Update:
Just want to add a couple newer vendors that have a very nice selection and great service.

http://www.ecigexpress.com/

http://www.onestopdiyshop.com/products/The-Flavor-Apprentice-Professional-Flavors.html

Merry Mixing

DIY still remains my passion and obsession. Common sense always has to prevail. The last 2 1/2 years have brought so many changes.....its worse than computer technology (for me anyway). Currently I still stick to those vendors I have been using since (almost) the beginning of my vaping adventure. When I first started vaping, the selection and vendors was very simple and very few, now, new stuff is popping up at every corner. I figure, I might as well stick with what works for me.

I still love mixing almost as much as I love vaping.

LOL--sounds like you will be having fun. You have a good set up to get started. The Wiltons vanilla extract work great.
can't wait to hear how your creations turn out !!!
I love being able to change flavors to suit my taste.

Just be extremely careful with the 48mg/ml--getting it on your skin can cause you to feel sick--wash immediately or wear gloves. small spills can be lethal to animals and make small children very, very ill.

Merry Mad Mixing !!!!

LOL--I can't say anything--I do the same thing !!!
I ruined a few mixes that way.... more is better right....

I promise you won't end up with menthol liquid. The trick is only a couple drops. I usually add about 3-4 drops/5ml. I was never a menthol smoker and never even really cared for menthol--still don't really. A 5 ml bottle of flavourart menthol has lasted me almost a year.

I had wanted to put something together sooner--but I am very, very good at procrastination. I love being able to share DIY. I'm looking forward to seeing some new recipes.......

DayVape--I always forget about cinnamon. Just added some to an apple pie mix I made--just the perfect touch. Thanks.

Thank you !!!
If you see anything that needs to be clarified, changed or added please speak up......
I find DIY fun and would love input from others, success or failures, tips and tricks.