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That is more than likely true, however I can see the FDA trying to though.

This is why I like Wizard Labs. They seal the Nic in a heavy duty heat sealed bag.

In the freezer. LOL It is always the best place. If you have kids in the house then in a child proof lockable container in the freezer.

I have been making E-Liquid since 2009. If you are working with Higher than 100mg then you should have a respirator. I always wear gloves but, they are not really needed for 25mg and below. You just need to wash it off. The absorption rate is very slow when diluted that far. If you were to get pure nic (100%) on your skin it much different and you could die. @canyMixed 1-2 years depending on how you store it. I will add that if you look at the amount of nicotine in a patch it is around 2.1% "The first 6 weeks use the 21mg patch, then for the next 2 weeks it decreases to 14mg, and the final 2 weeks have a 7mg patch."

PG and VG 1-2 years if stored in a cool dry place. indefinitely if stored in a freezer. Most flavorings are 1 year.

Pure Nicotine (100%) yes is quite dangerous. However, when diluted, it is much less harmful. It can still do you harm if mishandled at 100mg (10%), but in most cases you can wash it off and be fine and also wear Neoprene gloves. At 50-25mg (5% 2.5%) it will not harm you unless you drink it but, you should wash it off if you get it on your skin. Yes all kids and animals should not have access to it. Like your E-Liquid, it should be kept in a locked box away from kids and animals. If mixed with VG or PG it can keep a long time in the freezer. It is best to eliminate all air from the bottle for long term storage (over 1 year). If stored properly it can last for several years.

It is a matter of interpretation though. If FTA for example knows that it will be bought with the "intent" of making E-Liquid, then they must register that flavor. It doesn't matter if it can be used for other things. These rules are quite vague and cause confusion in who is ultimately responsible. This is where these regs make no sense. If the maker of kanthal wire knows that the wire is to be used for coils, then they are responsible for the reg... Same with the glass tube. If I were to sell and empty bottle for the use of e-liquid, then I would be responsible to register it. But, if a bottle maker was making bottles for use with E-Liquids then they would be responsible. It is enough to make your head spin and confuse the crap out of everyone. They explain it better right at the end of the video.

This is a good video:

True panic will set in a few months before the 2 year deadline for registering. I'm not panicked, I'm angry. It is why I have not said much. That and looking for all the info I can on how this is going to play out so I can make plans. I have enough stuff to keep myself going for a very long time. It is others that I think about more than myself at this point.

Vape Shop owners, unless they are making e-liquid and/or building coils, are exempt. But, when the money is due is not clear as of yet. Myself being a manufacture would have 2 years to file. If I do not file in that two years time I would have to stop selling. If I were to file then I would have an additional year to sell or until I heard from the FDA stating that the App was approved or denied. If Denied I would have to stop selling at that point. In August the only thing I must do is change one thing on my labels stating that the nicotine in the product is addicting. Other than that, I'm already and have been following, all the regs that would come into play Aug 8th. The bigger problem Vape Shop owners will face is lack of inventory. Like fighting a war. the FDA is cutting off the supply chain. With no inventory to sell they end up closing as well.

@Earthling789 Yes a lot can change in two years time. I'm not sure that it is a panic so much as it is throwing in the towel. A lot of vape shops were looking to cash in on the industry and are not willing to fight for change. The HR2058 is our best hope at the moment for some change. However this bill will stagnate the industry for many years to come. Congress now must slap the FDA down to really stop this from moving forward. It is very clear when you start adding up the cost for manufactures to make products to even put on the shelf to sell, that even retailers will not survive. It goes from a full store inventory to a small rack on a counter top. If even a small manufacture like my self is looking at having to pay 8.5 billion just to have no guarantee that the products can pass the PMTA, doors will close and close fast. I personally will hold out as long as I can and fight for the change, but it is an up hill battle.

After watching the video I posted, I decided to put my flavors to the calculator. As the regs stand, it would cost me $8,428,000,000.00 to keep all the options for all the flavors offered. I would have to have this amount ready within the next 2 years. That is just one company with 49 flavors and this is not including the testing that would also need done on these flavors. I have seen numbers that say the Vape Industry in a 4 to 6 billion dollar a year industry as a whole... If you think these regs will not kill the industry? Please think again.

Worth posting in both threads:

My thought was to have Bottles A, B, and C. Mix bottles B and C with A and shake till your arm falls off.

That is just the definition of "In the pocket of Big Pharma"

Lets not forget the paper clip manufacturers... You need those to fluff that poly-fill!

4 years...? My how time flies! Congrats TAM!

I agree, it is just mind blowing... I have to relay on CASSA, SFATA, Chris's resources and others to help sort it all out.

But, even 0 nic flavors are mentioned in the deeming regs and must be registered. They must be labeled as "Tobacco Products" even though there is no tobacco in them or any part of it derived from the tobacco plant. Even bottles used for the storage of |E-Liquid" are covered in these regs.

It could, but that would also mean renaming the business, new domain, yada yada... it would be hard sell to the FDA that a company named Fadora Vapor selling flavorings would be using it for cooking or making hard candy. LOL

I could be off the mark here because I'm not a lawyer, but as I read it anything that is used to or "Sold As" an ingredient that it used in the manufacture of e-liquid is considered part of these regs. As an individual if I were to buy and make what I need via DIY it is fine. As a business if I sell flavoring for the purpose of making E-Liquid then I would be considered under these regs and have to register every flavoring, PG, VG, or Nicotine base I sold for said purpose.

This is why I'm playing it all by ear. I have supported HR2058 in every way possible to me and will continue to support it. I will not stop and close until the time I'm no longer able to continue. As you have said a lot can happen in two years. These deeming regs can (pipe dream) can be stopped and the FDA may have to start from square one. I'm keeping a close eye on everything that is being said and done.

I'm Not... But I may be left without a choice.

As it stands right now my business will be done in Aug. There is no way I can afford this as it stands. Of course I'll be playing it by ear, but as it stands, I'm looking at being done as a business. I know I won't be the only one if things don't change. To me this is taking away jobs and supporting big tobacco at is finest. So much for supporting a heather way of life. Not that I'm a big conspiracy theorist, this just supports depopulation and saving the Tax losses from big tobacco sales. We the people must suffer for quitting burnable tobacco. Even at the lowest number Chris posted, I would need $15,600,000.00 just to register my 52 flavors. That does not include all the testing.