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Short explanation based on how my Fuchai 213 works. (My only other temp control mod is the iPV 4 and I stopped using it in TC a while back.) The watt setting basically controls how fast your coil ramps up to the preferred temp. Once whatever TC capable coil you are using reaches the desired temp, it will pulse to maintain that temp. I still primarily vape in VV/VW setting, but there are a few juices I really like in TC mode. Basically, I can set the wattage a little higher to get to that desired temp a little faster. The Fuchais also have a sort of "burst mode" where you can set it to 100w, for example, for a fraction of a second, then it will drop back down to whatever your regular set wattage is and ramp up to temp. Make sense? I hope so, because I just confused the hell out of myself. I also agree with @Earthling789in that flavor is better with SS coils than with Ni200. I briefly tried Ti coils, but quickly went away from them.

Yeah, I've been slacking for the past few months... glad @Edna has been able to take over for me

@FXRich, Drop a 1.2 Ohm horizontal coil into the ST mini and you'll wonder why you're building coils, lol... I use them in my Nanos and Minis and the flavor is actually more pronounced in the Mini, probably because of the larger volume and longer tube? Or, it could just be my imagination I still use the RBA decks from time to time for the convenience of wick change and dry-burn... and I don't waste a factory coil, but since I now have over 200 of them in a box on the shelf, I don't worry about "coil maintenance" as much anymore... swap, prime, vape... lol I do save the old heads, though... eventually I'll get around to rebuilding the 30 or so I have laying in the re-purposed ash-tray on my shelf

Hearing about how the nanny state is getting out of control makes me glad I live where I do. A place down the road from me gets mistaken for a junkyard sometimes, the guy across the road flies a confederate flag below the American flag. Gunshots can be heard daily, and nobody pays any attention to it, I built a 100 yard shooting range in the back of my property, and some of my neighbors use it regularly. Yes I may be old fashioned, but I like it that way, and I don't care if I offend somebody, and sometimes do it on purpose. Rant over for now, have a nice day.

I'm not a cloud chaser, but the subtank mini can block my view of the TV, or the monitor. I use a RBA in my subtank minis, but in the Nanos that I use, I use a 1.2 horizontal coil, not quite the clouds as I get from the minis, but lots of flavor. One of these days I will have to try the 1.2 coil in a subtank mini. The nanos I use on a Subvod battery, or a 50w Kbox, I use the minis on Kanger TC mods with SS .5 coils. I have not tried Ni coils, but have tried Ti, the SS seems to give better flavor. I have never had a leaking problem with either the Subtank mini, or the Nano, except for user error, or leaving it in a hot car. I have not tried any subohm tanks besides the Kanger subtanks, I guess I'm satisfied with what I have and don't need to change. Just my 2 cents worth.

Chris... I've gone from cigalikes to eGos with KPT3 mins... to KPT2 to Aerotanks... box mods like the MVP 2.0, mechanicals, micro boxes, high power, TC... big tanks, small tanks, sub-ohm... you name it... and I must say, I prefer my Kanger Subtank minis with 1.2 Ohm coils... flavor is great and vapor is respectable (but not room filling like my RDA's were). So, if you're looking for flavor, I'd give a ST mini a try! As for mods... I LOVE my Wismec Presa 75WTC (and the 100WTC is slightly bigger if you want more grip). The Wismec RX200s is a bit bulky, but I can go 3 days or more without swapping batteries... but I rarely go above 20W, with 16-17W being my average for my ADV. I've tried TC... and it's better with SS coils (flavor-wise)... Ni200 coils just taste funny to me, even after they're broken-in, and they don't seem to last as long as SS (in TC mode) or Kanthal/Nichrome in Wattage-mode. Yes, TC seems hard to master... but you set the temp low, just like you would for Wattage and slowly go up to find your sweet-spot... upping the Wattage only speeds up the ramp-up time to hit the temp, but if Watts are too low, you'll never hit your temperature limit, and if your Watts are too high, the screen goes nuts as it pulses power off/on to prevent over-kill of Wattage-to-temp, so you do have to play a balancing game. These days my daily rigs are Wismec Presa 75W with Subtank mini, Cloupor Mini-plus with Subtank mini, Kanger 50W subbox kit (subtank mini), RX200s with Subtank mini, Subvod 1300mAh (or Cloupor mini) with Subtank Nano or Aerotank2 (used when riding my motorcycle or working in the yard/garage), and lastly my beloved Russian 91% mounted on a Cloupor mini or IPV mini. My coil choice is 1.2 Ohm (horizontal) for the subtanks, and 1.2 or 1.5 Ohm BDC for the Aerotanks... and I build my Russians to hit 1.2 or 1.4 Ohm as well. All of these rigs produce great flavor and enough vapor to know I'm getting a fulfilling mouth/lung-full, and can easily require cracking the window in my car/truck so I can see to drive I have plenty of other tanks and mods, but those are my daily-drivers.... and yes, I also use smaller-bore drip-tips... like the (bore) size of the Kayfun V4... My fiance' rotates two Nautilus (1.6 Ohm coil) and a Triton (1.8 Ohm coil) on her mods (Wismec Presa 40W, Sigelei 50W, and Cloupor mini)... and she has a major preference to the Nautilus (she'd kill me in my sleep if I took them away from her, lol)! She only uses the Triton in the house, and she's not fond of my subtank minis She also has an eGo 1100mAh with a KPT3 mini (filled with chocolate mint) in the bathroom, which she vapes every morning while getting ready for work, lol

That's the beauty of TC these days. There are a ton of "screw on the coil and go" options in nickel and SS out there now. And if you want flavor, watch my review of the baby beast again. AWESOME flavor. AWESOME clouds. The best of both worlds [emoji6] Sent from my heart using the Vapor Talk App. OK...OK...I'm kidding. I have no heart. But I did use the Vapor Talk Mobile App.

Whhhat's up Vapor Talkers The founder needs some schooling. I'm feeling like an upgrade. I'm using the Nautilus Tank and I could sit here and open boxes all day, or I can see what the rest of you are using. I took a hit off the Cleito this afternoon my sister in law was using, not bad! (I hate the wide bore tips though) Once I burn through some of these BVC coils, I'm going to jump ship to another daily driver. I love my Nautilus, (I almost never get a dry hit from it) but eh... I just feel it's not pumping out as much vapor as it could/should. (Anything passed 12w and it gets a bit burnt) I was sitting in traffic on the 15 today watching some dude ripping clouds. I thought, I run a huge forum and I'm hitting my 40w with a natti Time to step it up and shop my own store. So, what are you all rocking (Coil based) Humbly awaiting your advice

I started this thread because I didn't want to highjack Christopher's "What are you vaping" thread anymore than had already been done. Maybe I'm alone in my thinking, but to me there is a difference between "wide bore" and "wide mouth" when it comes to drip tips. People tend to use the term "wide bore" to describe any drip tip that is wider than than a standard 510 base. To me, "wide bore" means anything with an inside diameter that is wider than the inside diameter of a standard 510 drip tip. Yes, some "510" drip tip bases have a slightly wider bore than others, but where I see most people using the term "wide bore" is when they describe the mouth end of the tip. The following pics are of two of my "wide bore" drip tips. The tip on the top is a SS tip from a Subtank Mmini, the tip on the bottom is a delrin tip from a TFV8 Baby Beast. This first pic shows the tips from the top, or mouth end. As you can see, the business end does indeed have a wider bore than something like a KPT tip or a Lemo tip. This second pic shows both tips from the "510" end that actually connects to the tank or RDA. As you can see, the bore is a lot smaller than the mouth end. This ultimately changes how a tip performs. Yes, the delrin tip does have a slightly larger bore than the SS tip in this particular comparison, but that isn't always the case. For the record, the ID measurements of the 510 ends and the mouth ends of each tip are as follows: SS tip 510 ID: 4.5mm; mouth ID: 7.9mm Delrin 510 ID: 5.7mm; mouth ID: 9.5mm So yes, in this case the delrin tip does have a slightly wider bore at the connector end and the wider bore is definitely going to have an effect on vape performance. In both cases, though, I consider these "wide mouth" vs "wide bore, because the full bore of the tips is not consistent all the way through. Now, by comparison, the following is a picture of the delrin drip tip from my TM RDA: This is what I consider to be a true "wide bore" vs "wide mouth" drip tip. As you can see, the bore is wide and consistent all the way through. For the record, this inside diameter is approximately 12mm. That is a HUGE difference compared to the other "510" drip tips. This is primarily for airflow and thus bigger clouds. But you can still get a ton of flavor through these as well. It's all in how you build your coils when it comes to something like that. Obviously these are only my opinions, but I think I make a pretty good argument for why we should differentiate between them. Wide mouth does not necessarily mean you are going to have more airflow when it comes to a 510 drip tip, because the flow of vapor is still ultimately going to depend on the bore of the actual 510 portion of the drip tip.

I agree completely, the hole through the base determines the airflow. The larger the hole in the base the more airflow you will get.

No, you haven't made me angry. I just said that I answered the question in a different post just in case I might leave out some of the information I wrote on this post. That way, if you refer to both posts, you might get more information. Does that make sense? Sorry if it came out snippy, that wasn't my intent.

It actually depends on the tip because in many instances, the term "wide bore" is a bit misleading. Many of the wide bore tips are simply just 510 tips with a wider mouth end and the end that connects to the tank or RDA doesn't have a bore any wider than a normal tip. The wide bore doesn't go all the way through the tip and my experience has been that they really don't vape any differently than a smaller diameter 510 tip. With the 510 wide bore tips, the tightness of your draw may be a little looser because some of them do actually bore out the 510 portion of the tip so they are a little wider, but it is still going to be restricted because the inside diameter of the tip where it connects to the tank or RDA is roughly the same as a smaller tip. With those, it basically boils down to comfort level of the individual using the tip, sort of like the difference between smoking a cigarette and a cigar. Other wide bore tips are specifically designed for the RDA or the tank they go on, though, and the inside diameter is consistent from top to bottom. For instance, the tips on Twisted Messes RDA are almost 12mm inside diameter for the delrin tip and almost 14mm for the metal one. That's all the way through. That creates huge airflow and is really meant for cloud chasing and flavor is sometimes sacrificed with them. It's just another one of those preference things. I think I'm unique in that I really don't have a preference. It depends on my mood as to how I am going to vape at any given time. If you think a larger diameter tip may be more comfortable, then I encourage you to try. If you like the smaller diameter of the smaller tips, stick with those. If you want bigger clouds, then I encourage you to try a true wide bore tip.

An RBA stands for Re-Buildable Atomizer. These tanks are for advanced users who build their own coils, also called RTA for Rebuildable Tank Atomizers. I've already given an answer on a different thread when you asked this question. If you vape mouth to lung instead of direct to lung, you'll want a tank that better works with your vaping style. I'm vaping on an Aspire Triton 2 with 1.8 ohm coils and they work extremely well for me because I go mouth to lung (draw the vapor into my mouth first and then inhale). Other members have given you very good recommendations as well with the Subtank (if you want to go sub ohm). Sub-ohm means that the resistance of your coil goes below 1.0 ohm like a 0.5 ohm or 0.2 ohm. The lower the number to the right of the decimal point, the hotter the vape. More often you'll want to increase the power being used from your mod so your charge won't last as long. For example, I vape with a 1.8 ohm coil. My preference is flavor, but I also want to see a satisfying amount of vapor but don't like hot or even warm vapor when I vape. My iStick 80W TC (Temperature Control) is set to work in wattage mode and is set at around 9.7W when the coil is new. As you know, when a coil gets older, the resistance increases so I also increase the wattage, but I only go up to around 10.2W With a sub-ohm coil, let's use a .02 ohm coil as an example, I've heard some members say they use this coil and have it up to 30W, 40W, 50W or more when in wattage mode. That will use up the charge in your battery faster than my 9.7W. There's nothing wrong with a Protank or Aerotank, I still use these sometimes. You'll need to buy one tank, try it out to see if you like if. If you don't, buy a different tank and try again until you find something that works the way you want, then buy lots for back ups.

Yays! I'm sooo excited! can't wait to try these out!

OK Tam I know I am seriously behind times but would you please break down what all the initials stand for and what the difference is please? And since you know my likes so well which do you think I should invest in next? Thank you. And Christopher thank you for asking that question. Its a great way to see what is the best on the shelves right now. I've seen the wide Bore tips online but how do they vape differently then regular tips?

Some awesome information to digest here! I apologise for not responding right away as today ended up being a long....long day. I'm going to read through each post in it's entreaty a respond individually as you all took the time to write out some lengthy, well thought out replies

Don't sweat it, Edna. @Earthling789 used to do it all the time...

Could do that, but I think I'll stick to what I'm doing now. I use 4 wraps of 28g kanthal on a 3mm pin, and it comes out to 1.1 - 1.2 ohms. In watt mode it seems to work a little better than factory Nichrome coils, but that's just my opinion. One of the reasons I prefer to use TC is no dry hits, even when I chain vape, and coils last longer usually. Seems to me some juices vape better in TC, and others do better in watts. I currently use in rotation 6 minis, and 4 nanos, I could dedicate 1 of the minis to using watts instead of TC, (something I have thought about) Each of the minis have different color O-rings, so it wouldn't be hard to do.

Could always change the o-ring colors for the ones you use kanthal on the rebuilds?

The main reason I use the RBA in the mini is for TC, a .5 SS coil works for me the best in TC. I suppose I could use the NiCr TC mode for the factory Nichrome coils, but I use Kanthal to rebuild the 1.2 horizontal coils, and I might get them mixed up.

Subtank mini in TCmode I use a coil I made but the OCC TI coils work good nice flavor and a decent cloud For real clouds I use the TFV8

@Tam The office I use to work at tried that crap of "not in your personal vehicle, while on our property", but 500+ employees reminded them that we can park in a city lot (a mile away), and walk or take the bus to work, and let the homeless or circus set up tents in "their" parking lot... or all quit... They saw the light and backed off, but they were pushing for more totalitarian control... no smoking in your car, no eating your lunch in your car, no weapons in your car, and the most egregious of the list... random inspections of your car (interior/trunk) while on their property... which is a total violation of our Constitutional Rights! This state drives me nuts sometimes... The whole of the state is mostly conservative, yet they keep electing Utopian Totalitarian Nanny-state Hippie Dems/Liberals/Socialists into the state and local governments... and then complain all day about how their rights are continually eroded If I were there, you'd better believe I'd be in the front row... citing my 4th and 5th Amendment rights, and telling the school administration to take a long walk off a short pier!! My property insurance agent recently came out and told me I had to cut down some trees because they posed a threat to the house if they fell... okay, I can see that... but 3-weeks later another guy came out to see if they had been removed... and then proceeded to tell me that I had too many cars in my driveway... the couch-style bench and two chairs on my porch didn't "look good", and that the English Ivy growing up one side of my house didn't "look good" and could be a "potential fire hazard" or "could push the house off the foundation"! Ummm... it's my property and if I want 20 cars on blocks in the driveway and yard it's MY BUSINESS (BTW, the six vehicles and three motorcycles in my driveway all RUN and are driven regularly... I have 4 drivers in my house!), and I reminded him he worked for the insurance company, not Better Homes and Garden nor was he a Botanist... If English Ivy were a hazardous plant, every University and government office in the US and UK would lay in ruins! If they try any crap with my policy, I'll be happy to find another insurance company Crap like this is why I'd NEVER live in an area with an HOA, lol... I'd be the guy with a bright pink mailbox and a Camaro on blocks in the front yard... just to piss them off...

Two bottle key line custard One bottle strawberry custard One bottle mocha One bottle cotton candy All from steel city vapes Uwell crown 2 .5 coils for said crown .8 coils for crown Two zampleboxes Oops I thought I was in the bump when you buy something,all that came in vapemail except the steel city juice.

I tried TC, but really didn't notice a difference from VV/VW once they are set right for the tank/coil/juice combo. IMHO TC is ok, but not needed if you understand how to set your mod. We all have been there, bump up from low until a slight burnt taste then back off a bit. One thing I did like about TC was when chain vaping you don't get the occasional dry hit. Only time I get those any more is using 70VG or higher juices in the subtanks, as the thicker juices don't wick as well as a 50/50 juice. I am a working stiff relegated by works rules to only vape on breaks. And yes if you up the watts, and have a TC mod you can see the display on while vaping, you will see the watts drop when you hit the temp limit. Basically depending on the TC mod you are using setting the watts will only change the ramp up time. Your Istick 40 can only set the temp in TC mode, I have one, I also have an IPV4s. The 4s is way better in TC than the Istick 40 IMO. That being said, when at work I use a Nautilus mini tank on a VV/VW mod with 50/50 juice, just so I don't produce a ton of vapor, because I break the rules a bit. I find a nice quiet corner and vape indoors away from the smokers area where I am supposed to vape (Never realized how much cigs stink until I started vaping). I currently have a Smoant Knight, a Kangside luxury box and an Athena envy Plus for work. I also have a VTR, but it's on the fritz and haven't had time to T/S the prob. They are compact and easy to slide in my pocket. I recently started using a subtank mini in the Envy with a 1.2 ohm coil and the 50/50 juice, and it is working well. I also have a Tesla Stealth, that is basically an old e-go batt in another form factor. I only got it because of the submerged tank design and the description said "100 watts". It's limited to 100 watts and not adjustable at all. When I don't have to worry about some clouds I like the subtank with a .5 ohm coil (I have 5 minis and a Plus) and 60vg/40vg to 70/30 juice, good balance of flavor and clouds. Or my favorite, except for the fact it's a juice hog, my Freemax Starre with a .25 ohm coil and the thicker juices, awesome flavor and good clouds for the visual "need" I seem to have left over from smoking. I would try one of the "Beasts", but burning through the juice like has been reported, I would go broke. As it has been said many times by many members here, "What works for one person may not work for you." I say if the Nautilus is keeping you off cigs and happy stick with it. If you want some bigger clouds, time to look for another tank, the nautilus is a great tank for flavor, but lacks in cloud production. I am sure there will be others with tank recommendations.

I'd normally call the store for this, but fak it. Time to really humble up lol How the hell does temp control work? I mean, if you lower the temp but up the watts aren't you sort of fighting one against the other?

hmm can't we just have both I suppose if I had to choose... flavor probably. Believe it or not I've never actually given the temp control a go so to me it's an unknown (though plenty of the VT staff on the east coast use temp control coils/devices) I def don't want to deal with rebuilding as I'm usually to busy/lazy to deal with it. I'd rather screw on a coil and go. It might have been lol I was thinking about the TFV8 series as it's pretty popular through our store. But I like the idea of keeping my 510 tips (I actually like the stock tip that comes with the Nautilus though I'm using a Wood Drip Tip at the moment) The only down side to the baby beast is the low capacity. FYI Hardware wise I'm using an iStick 40w. Good size, though a bit small for my larger hands. (I could easily grasp two of these things) My wife is using a Pico Mega (not to derail) but I'm not a fan of the button placement. I've used a few RBA"s and I hate the amount of heat that comes through them