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All the flavor maker has to do is declare on their webpage is that their flavors are not intended or recommended for use in ejuice, everyone will know different, but at least their legal responsibility will be met. If Compenstine wants to he may be able to write a book on how to mix ejuice, and will make a lot of $ off the sales. When one door closes another one may open.

Maybe that's part of the plan. Scare the bejesus out of the retailers and watch them fold up themselves. So far, the only thing I've noticed are signs going up at a couple shops saying "starting August - 21 I.D. Required" . That's it. No other indications of panic. I did, however, go online and buy two more evic vtc minis and a couple of samsungs and 4 more spare RBA decks. And glass. Oh, and 2 more sub tank minis. . I'm not panicking. I think of it as .......insurance.......

@Earthling789 Yes a lot can change in two years time. I'm not sure that it is a panic so much as it is throwing in the towel. A lot of vape shops were looking to cash in on the industry and are not willing to fight for change. The HR2058 is our best hope at the moment for some change. However this bill will stagnate the industry for many years to come. Congress now must slap the FDA down to really stop this from moving forward. It is very clear when you start adding up the cost for manufactures to make products to even put on the shelf to sell, that even retailers will not survive. It goes from a full store inventory to a small rack on a counter top. If even a small manufacture like my self is looking at having to pay 8.5 billion just to have no guarantee that the products can pass the PMTA, doors will close and close fast. I personally will hold out as long as I can and fight for the change, but it is an up hill battle.

Today, I saw examples of true panic in the industry (retail)... I took my SO to tan at the local shop, which also has a small vape-shop, selling moderate and premium e-liquids and basic vaping equipment (eGo/Spinners, KPT/Nautilus style tanks, simple mods like the iStick, etc.)... they've already put up fire-sale prices on everything in the store. The gal behind the counter said with the new regs, they were told to sell it off because they couldn't afford to continue to be in the business of vaping. I know the owner well, and will try to reach out to him on Monday to INFORM him of the regs, and how they will not affect him as a retailer (directly), but after 8/8/18, he may have limited availability of products/liquids, and prices will obviously increase.... Another local mom-and-pop shop (actually the first shop I ever went into, and bought my first eGo's from) already has a "going out of business" sign in their window. They were closed (it was late) when I saw the sign, but can only assume they too were horribly misinformed on these regs and decided to jump-ship before August rolls around There is so much misinformation going around out here in the real world, and what amazes me is how those "in the business" such as retailers are not on top of the info through CASAA or any of the other vaping info outlets.... Yeah, the rest of us (consumers) are in an outrage, and there is some panic.... but it's not the end of the world (of vaping) YET... It's not a panic point yet... We are at Def-Con 3... where we need to be fully aware of our surroundings and act accordingly. We need to be backing and supporting the vaping advocacy groups such as CASAA and communicating with our Congressmen. We'll still be able to buy our mods, tanks, and coils... and yes, even e-liquids for another two years, at least! There is no mention of taxation yet, even though we expect it to be coming (God knows how our government loves our tax dollars). Taxes have to be set by local/state/federal legislative bodies. The FDA has no power to tax any product or even suggest a tax rate. What I see happening on August 8th is ... nothing... it will be business as usual. Sure, some companies will scale down or get out of the vaping industry all together, but the vast majority will continue to provide the mods/tanks/liquids on August 9th, and beyond... at least until 2018. Will taxes be imposed on e-liquids by 2018? Maybe? But it won't happen anytime soon. Now, all that being said... yes, I've placed an order for a couple of mods, and two new tanks... but I planned to buy them anyway. Yes, maybe I bought them earlier than I would have if the FDA hadn't dropped their bomb, but I fully expect to be able to obtain my hardware and liquids (if I bought pre-made e-liquids) for at least another couple of years... and hopefully by that time, Congress will have slapped-down the FDA and changed the grandfather date to 2016 so all the current, existing products will be unaffected and fully available forever.

After watching the video I posted, I decided to put my flavors to the calculator. As the regs stand, it would cost me $8,428,000,000.00 to keep all the options for all the flavors offered. I would have to have this amount ready within the next 2 years. That is just one company with 49 flavors and this is not including the testing that would also need done on these flavors. I have seen numbers that say the Vape Industry in a 4 to 6 billion dollar a year industry as a whole... If you think these regs will not kill the industry? Please think again.

I always tape the cap to the bottle with vinyl tape before putting it upright in the freezer.

That is more than likely true, however I can see the FDA trying to though.

LOL... just a side note. If you store nicotine in a bottle in the freezer, put it inside a plastic bag, then into a child proof container. I had a liter in the top of the freezer. When I got my second liter, I grabbed the first one, and it had leaked out about 50ml into the bag I had it wrapped in. It was lying on it's side. They are both wrapped separately, placed upright, inside a container now. It isn't child proof, but I am the only child who lives here (my wife is the adult).

It is. The problem is that artificial flavorings can't be outlawed (everything would taste/smell pretty bland) and the FDA would have to prove that they are manufactured, and distributed with the intent to be used in a vaping product. This would be impossible. If you look at most of the sites they don't include vaping in their intended uses. Same with many other components. Sandvik will not stop making Kanthal because the FDA thinks it should. It isn't made for vaping, and they could care less that it is. I have no way to know the total market share that vape products have in the resistance wire market, but I would have to assume that it is very small.

Pure Nicotine (100%) yes is quite dangerous. However, when diluted, it is much less harmful. It can still do you harm if mishandled at 100mg (10%), but in most cases you can wash it off and be fine and also wear Neoprene gloves. At 50-25mg (5% 2.5%) it will not harm you unless you drink it but, you should wash it off if you get it on your skin. Yes all kids and animals should not have access to it. Like your E-Liquid, it should be kept in a locked box away from kids and animals. If mixed with VG or PG it can keep a long time in the freezer. It is best to eliminate all air from the bottle for long term storage (over 1 year). If stored properly it can last for several years.