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Plain brown paper bag from the bootlegger, There will be a lot of that. So I won't be able to sell to friends, but I could give it away to people that contribute to my favorite charity. ME

Hes gonna deliver it in a cement truck

That's me... I don't charge my family when I mix juices for them, but I've never complained if they left a few bucks on my coffee table when they leave... It's always nice when they contribute to the cause and help me pay for the supplies... Bottles, PG, VG, Nicotine, and flavors aren't free, and I appreciate that they realize that... Although, I could easily see myself start offering $30 "consultation fees with free bottle of juice" if commercial juices start costing $50-75 when all the new taxes hit

Congress has the sole authority, but they do nothing to stop these Executive Regulatory Agencies, like the EPA, FDA, etc. because they generate revenue by reclassification of products/services into different tax codes, and the fines levied by these agencies go straight to the government... Yes, it is immoral and unjust, but "legal" if Congress allows it to happen. This is why the whole of America is upset with our government... they have become a corrupt bunch of "ruling class", only worried about the revenue they can generate off the backs of we peasants/serfs...

I don't have a 70w because I prefer replaceable batteries, I use the Kanger 75w mostly. I buy from VapeNW and from Sweetvapes, mostly from VapeNW. After recommending this mod I looked at a few reviews, and found mixed reviews on it. Sweetvapes says it will do SS in TC but other sites say it won't, don't know who to believe. Most reviews say it is similar to the istick 50w, so I figured you might like it.

I have been listening and reading all kinds of information about the FDA Deeming Regulations. We have known since the beginning that regulation was going to happen, we just didn't know when. T he FDA regulation was set up to protect the consumer, not to harm you. The rules are meant for the suppliers and manufactures. The first thing I am going to tell you is NOT TO PANIC! The vaping world is not ending in 90 days. But I do suggest that you start planning on how you are going to handle what will be happening in the next 3 years. Some of the changes you will see in 90 days will be no free samples, contests or giveaways. Shops will not be able to have juice bars or be able to make coils for customers. Eliquid labeling will be changing and no new products will be released. Basically, the industry is going to become stagnant. What you see now is what we will have. You will see some vendors and shops close. It is your duty as a consumer to support your suppliers that are heavily involved in advocacy. Writing or calling your Senators or Representatives will do nothing right now. Feel free to contact them if you must, I don't thing it will hurt. You need to keep an eye on CASAA and SFATA. They will tell you when, how and where to act. These groups are pouring through the information and deciding on what action we need to take.

This is why I started pushing DIY.

I need my Jiffy Java Nut!!!!!! I hope my supplier will be willing to get me some juice on the down low.

Does that mean I need to get tax stamps for my DIY juice, Its been cold lately, but I don't think hell froze over yet. I don't think most people know it but Government makes more money from gas than the oil companies.

ATF, IRS, Santa Claus, and of course State and Local government's ability to levy additional taxation under wide jurisdiction of "sin-tax" laws, now that the Fed has classified vaping as the same as smoking... I expect all vaping equipment and supplies to be taxed like cigarettes... 200% minimum. I haven't read it yet, but I'm sure all bottles of e-liquid will also require a Federal Tax Stamp (just like cigarette packs). In 1985, my cousin worked the books for a Lorillard factory... she said there was a whopping $0.37 in every pack... and the gov't was the real profiteers in the sale of those packs... reaping 400% locally since packs were just under $2 each. Places like NYC... 1200% markup just in TAXES! I've said it before... the government is addicted to our tax dollars far more than they care about the health of their constituents. They told us to quit smoking, so we did, using means they did not control (patches/gum/inhalers/drugs); therefore they felt the pinch in their pockets and panicked... Thus the need to regulate our new-found-savior (vaping) so they could continue to reap huge taxes, which they are NOT getting from tobacco. Now they will double-dip... regulation/taxes on the products (at higher than board sales-tax) AND by classification as "tobacco products" they get to stick Big Tobacco with the bills to honor their Tobacco Settlement Agreement, based on every vape-pen, cigalike, and bottle of e-liquid sold. Can you tell I'm mad as wet hornet over this??

I think at this moment, I'd call it DefCon 3... It looks bad, and while it won't go crashing down around us tomorrow, "something" will happen as early as November. I've read through the first 200+ pages, and if they get this passed/implemented as expected, the first wave of pulling things off the shelves could/should occur in November this year! Yes, there may be injunctions, and there is still a House Bill which, if passed, will grandfather everything already on the market through August of this year... lets HOPE that passes, which overrides the FDA overreach!! Otherwise, there will be a lot of "going out of business" fire-sales in October/November to unload stock, and there may not be much to pick from by then if retailers begin to reduce inventory in anticipation of regulatory action? In the meantime, I plan to pick up those TC Mods, and other hardware, I've been holding off purchasing, as well as a couple more Subtank Minis, a case of extra coils, and sometime between now and DefCon 5 (November), I'll stock up on my Nicotine base... enough to keep me in juice for the next decade I do hope the grandfather date can be changed, so the market is not stripped of existing, reliable, helpful products, but I see the FDA (backed by Big Tobacco $$ and Lobby pressure towards Congress) to really buck hard against moving the date. 2007 will put Big Tobacco as the only player in the game, and the FDA will be under zero obligation (based on the Deeming) to approve ANY product for market, which will ensure market monopoly by Big Tobacco! The FDA should be disbanded... as well as a few other "alphabet agencies"... their regulatory power is as bad as the EPA, whereas they can make arbitrary mandates which pick winners and losers in the free market, generate taxation without representation (illegal), and apply fines to punish those that aren't paying their dues (Lobby money) to ensure favoritism/protection... can we say "government organized crime syndicate"?

Hey all, been a while. I got the email from vt about all this, I clicked the link and fell asleep after 5 min of reading. I think they do that crap on purpose, adding a lot of unneeded jargon until your sense of give a crap wanes. I take it as a personal challeng though, tonight I plan on trying to digest the fda's crap sandwich we are being fed or fall asleep. Either way it's a win, havnt been sleeping well lately.

I am of similar thought - I don't see this happening in 90 days. There will be serious challenges to this. A lot of people will lose out in a big way and a lot more in a small way. It is really tough getting an idea of where it goes from here. A lot is going to happen in the next couple of weeks. This Feb 2007 rules wipes out nearly all significant progress in vaping. I'm going to sit tight for the moment except for supporting CASAA in anyy way... If the vape community panics then it could be tough getting supplies. Except for juice I have everything I need for the next year or so...

That depends on the nic level, and flavor added. I currently use 4mg, and would still have to add PG to get my 30PG/70VG ratio. Even at 10mg if I use 20% flavor, I could still get my 30/70 mix.

Holy cow. I'm wading thru this legalese now. This has to be one of the biggest scams ever pulled off by the federal government. "(The) FDA is taking this action to reduce the death and disease from tobacco products. " Yikes. This would be funny if it weren't, in fact, tragic. I intend to read this entire issue then comment further...

When you consider DIY components, the nicotine would be the only one that may be effected by this ruling. They can not regulate me buying Lorrans in Walmart for example. Or ordering flavorings over the internet. This would be the same for VG, PG, wire... These are all used for more than just E-Cigarettes. How would they regulate me buying wood..? or an aluminum project box from Mouser... Switches..? There will be a lot of people going back to the day when we built our own mods. The electronic boards would be sold out of stock and hard to get though. This is why I only buy things that have the rebuildable head/coil...