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Will have to nitpic here PG=Propylene glycol. Also if you don't already have the addiction to smoking I don't recommend E-cig use.Why put anything in your lungs if it isn't necessary. Just my .02 I believe E-cigs are dramatically safer than tobacco but why take the chance? For most of us it's better than tobacco but only as a reduced harm alternative not as a starting place for a new habit IMHO.

I am so impatient, I want my bottom feeding T3S's I ordered to be here today instead of Saturday lol. I cannot wait to compare. I have a feeling, based on the way the KPT works, that I am going to like the bottom feeders better than these top coil T2s. Maybe I can actually finish a tank of Strawberry Fields.

I agree, the way I said it was ignorant.. I could not figure out a way to say that some people would rather believe these are worse for you than real cigarettes.

I remember when cell phones came out, talking about to much cell phone use could cause cancer. Something about the radio waves to close to your brain but there was never a ban on cell phones.

Before I switched from 510 type ecigs I had occasion for one of my batteries to "go Rogue"; it was an automatic and decided to stay on continously burning the Heck out of a cart/head combination and didn't stop until it had devoured itself. Next day I ordered my Vision Spinner and Protank...

First Mod.

Thats what I did and the qtip was black. I am used to cleaning them every time I charge them as a habit, but I must have missed this one too. As I continue to vape this I am increasingly convinced that I just so happened to blow a coil when I first fired up the freshly charged battery and thought there was something wrong. The residual taste was still on the battery when I put on the fresh tank. All is well now!

Thanks Uma. I wasn't sure, and to be honest now everything seems fine on the tank I have on there now. Gone through about a half a ml with no more funky taste. Maybe it was just coincidence that I popped the coil on the first draw once putting it on the newly charged battery because the taste is still there on the other battery. Going to play it by ear and see what happens. I may have jumped the gun on the post, I just have never noticed any black particles floating around in my liquid but that could just be dirt as I have filled my tanks in all sorts of places and have never really examined them closely. I could have gotten something in there when I changed the coil since my "vape gear maintenance area" is very near my wifes "coffee grinding area". If it does it again its history, I have a bunch of back ups now. I am also second guessing whether it is just the taste of the coil going out and not wicking very well, gonna change that when I get home. After using the KPT a while the top feeding T2s definitely have a different sort of taste. Looking forward to getting my T3S package Saturday to try the bottomfeeders exclusively for a while.

Sheepdog that is where I am too. Now that I know what I like I am good. I have the bases covered: All Day Vapes are Spearmint and Candy Cane from VapeDudes, occasional fruit vapes are Strawberry Fields from VapeDudes and Juicy Peach from Sweet-Vapes and my one tobacco flavor (for drinking) is Traditional Tobacco from Sweet-Vapes. To be honest most of the flavors I see are those that I probably wouldnt like. All the coffees, cake batter, vanilla, and sweet flavors are not my cup of tea. I eventually want to try one of the soft drink flavors like Dr Pepper or Mtn Dew but outside those I can go through every flavor most sites have at this point and all sound kinda "meh" to me. Now I digress to say a few months from now who knows. The first time I tried Spearmint I was like OMG Thats a Menthol!!!! but after a few more vapes I realized it was almost exactly like doublemint gum lol. Our tastebuds change drastically after dumping the analogs. I even like food now I would have never liked before and do not like a lot of things I used to. I would have rather taken a punch from Mike Tyson than eat a stalk of celery when I smoked, but now, I love it in and on about everything. The last thing I expected when quitting analogs was that my taste for food and drink would change as drastically as it has.

Well, I aint letting no snake in my mouth! No sir!

While, I beleive it is generally polite to ask permission before vaping in public or private establishments, and especially in confined spaces, I think the public needs to be exposed to e-cigs more. We need to get out there and use our devices where people can see it and we can explain and answer questions. So many people are simply not used to seeing anyone using an electronic cigarette. I am constantly getting stares and questions when I pull out my PV and start puffing some place. They look at me like I'm from another planet.. I can understand why some may think it can have negative effects on the impression the general public has of e-cigs (and lead to bans and such) when you just whip it out and vape, but I think it also has positive effects. The general public needs to see these devices in use on a regular basis so that they can become educated and accustomed to them, and understand that it is not smoking.

I vape a ton, but the dct delivery systems flood frequently, burn up cartomizers and are just a mess. The protank you don't waste fluid if you have to change coils with a full tank. The dct you would have to pull the carto out completely and that means fluid too.the protank is less maintenance.

I have never seen the batt you linked to before. The Vision Spinners or the Joyetech Twists have a proven track record. The one you linked to appears to be an off brand. With a Protank or Vivi Nova you just fill and vape. It may take a whole 10 seconds to fill it up. No biggy. DCT's require punching cartos and they leak. DCT's are so 2012

You're not being held here by a chain. Persecution is the systematic mistreatment of an individual or group by another group. You are not being singled out (Or persecuted as you put it) Every member (including staff) have the same notification under their names. Myself included. You are on a forum free of charge which simply asks that you are over 18 as we discuss (and sell) products that are for use by those over 18. Same as any adult website. This helps limit our liability. We also have entities located in California and New Jersey and as such must follow their laws. Believe me, as far as e cigarette forums go, we're probably the most lax. Though we have our own store and brand, we allow other members and suppliers to promote 3rd party products in a fairly open environment. Even if it affects our bottom line. I started this forum in 2009 and have done my best to grow this company before handing over the torch with open and fairness in mind. Your statement is offensive. Persecuted? Give me a break.

lol, damn. all this time i thought i was special for being the only one who actually showed i was over 18

You are not singled out. It is only visible to you and the staff. As you might have noticed, you don't see it under other members and they can't see yours. It is really there for the staff, it just so happens you can see it as well. Don't panic, not a stupid question. I asked the same thing when I first joined the forum. In fact, I am pretty sure I asked the same question, twice, about 1 year apart. lol

I'm looking into rba rda not sure what to start with. When it comes to hands on im pretty damn good. Any thoughts?

The Halo G6 smaller batteries are this way. I was vaping like a monster but still wondering why I was not ok. It was Tam who recognized my problem as not enough battery to get a decent nic hit. They sell because they look like a cig. The iTaste VV/vw I sport looks like an electric tooth brush! I-dont-care! It gives me a decent hit at 800mah. The litle batteries are mini and mini in mili amp hours also. Not really a good fit for anyone for long terem control of tobacco.

Black particals in the tank can also be bits of juice that baked on the coils and then broke loose into the tank. This is a common thing

1.0 gram l-ascorbic acid (1/4 tsp) 20 ml warm water (1 tbsp + 1 tsp) 20 ml glycerin (VG) (1 tbsp + 1 tsp) Add l-ascorbic acid to warm water (I use distilled water brought to boil in microwave and then allowed to cool). Stir or swirl until completely dissolved. Add glycerin, stir until homogenous. Store extra in refrigerator. I have vaped this many times, and I have discovered that it is remarkably helpful when I have a cold with a bad cough. Take big drags and inhale deeply. During the first few puffs, I cough up a lot of mucous. The vitamin C seems to break up the mucous in my lungs and makes it easier to cough it up. Take more big drags and inhale deeply. After a short while, coughing subsides and for a very relieving period of time, the urge to cough is completely suppressed. This lasts an hour or two, and the amount of time seems directly related to how many big puffs I inhale. Also helps with sinus congestion if I exhale through my nose. Myths and Facts: I’ve seen a few threads about vaping Vitamin C and invariably there are statements claiming that it is dangerous because Vitamin C is too acidic, or that Vitamin C will all be oxidized by the heat and therefore can’t do any good. Sometimes people state the opinion that this is a politically bad idea because it will lead the FDA to further regulate or ban E-cigs. None of these statements have been supported by any evidence however, so I decided to do some research and experiments. Is inhaling Vitamin C dangerous? This appears to be a myth. In addition to my own personal experience, inhaling Vitamin C in amounts much greater than I use has been reported in many clinical studies without any reported significant side effects. For example, in this study Clinical Trials Using Ascorbic Acid Aerosol to Aid Smoking Cessation subjects inhaled up to 300 mg each day for 5 weeks without any reported problems. In this study Evaluation of a New Mucolytic Agent 119 patients with diseases like emphysema, bronchitis and asthma inhaled Vitamin C 3 or 4 times each day for up to 6 months without any side effects. This study, Oxidants, Antioxidants, and Respiratory Tract Lining Fluids shows that ascorbic acid is a normal component of respiratory tract lining fluids. And in regard to acidity, subjects in this study Citric Acid Aerosol as a Potential Smoking Cessation Aid inhaled 15% citric acid (a stronger acid than ascorbic acid) without any reported problems. It appears that the small amount of acid provided by inhaling ascorbic acid is something the body handles easily, and I figure if people with emphysema and other lung diseases can inhale Vitamin C without problems, that I probably can too. Is Vitamin C destroyed by the E-cig vaporizer? This appears to be partially true. I couldn’t find any literature, so I decided to test it myself. I’m a lab scientist with both the knowledge and access to the equipment and supplies needed to measure ascorbic acid in solutions. I prepared the solution described above, and put it through my current E-cig (an ECG Model “Element-E” with a 1.6 ml cartomizer). I collected the vapors by drawing them through tubing into a Pyrex condenser until I had collected sufficient fluid to test (which took about 2 hours!). I measured the absorbance of ascorbic acid in the fluid before it had been through the E-cig as well as after, using a published method that utilizes UV spectroscopy at 260 nm wavelength. The measurements indicate that about 70% of the ascorbic acid was oxidized by the E-cig vaporizer, since about 30% was still measurable in the collected vapors. Although a large amount is lost, it appears that sufficient Vitamin C is still available to be useful. Will posting instructions about how to inhale Vitamin C cause the FDA to ban E-cigs? This appears to be speculation that isn’t supported by rational thinking or knowledge of the FDA's regulations or purpose. The FDA’s stance on the E-cig industry is clear and posted on their website. They have concerns, and like it or not, some of those are valid. Their concerns range from whether or not inhaling nicotine is actually effective for smoking cessation to whether the solutions and devices deliver controlled doses of nicotine, and include concerns about the purity and potential contamination of the multitude of nicotine solutions and flavorings being marketed today. They have not turned a blind eye to this industry, and do not think it’s “OK” that you inhale nicotine so long as you don’t inhale something else with your E-cig. Frankly, whether or not some people choose to inhale something else, be it a vitamin or something illegal, is so far down on their list of concerns that it isn’t even on the radar screen. And, it appears that there is a least one brand of vitamin solutions distributed in a vaporizing device for inhalation that is currently being marketed completely legally in this country.

thats my e cig coozy, holds 2 complete setups made by a customer of my wife. the protank is the same diameter as the "grenade" battery but its rather heavy that way. only thing exposed when everything is in the coozy are the drip tips.

The eGo by Joye (not the clone eGo's), has a warranty of 6 months, because they are so well engineered. They often go over their time span, lasting a good year. The Riva's are a good clone of eGo Joye, but lack the sophistication to guarantee a warranted time. They last anywhere from a week to a year. It's a roulette wheel, but most of them do last at least 6 months. There are clone brands out there called eGo that are not made by Joye, and are nothing like the original or the Riva. The Vamo is pretty nice for an introductory VV/VW mod. It is big, but you can have fun wrapping with Jwraps, to lessen the size shock and increase the fun. I don't like them, but that's a personal preference. Most of the users have become great fans of them for this reason or that. Expect a few good months of trouble free usage out of them, but read the various Vamo threads and watch the various vamo videos to learn what problems to expect, and how to fix them. The Vision Spinner and eGo Twist are good small VV pv's that most of us old timers like to use, cart around and have in our backup piles. They're pretty nice all the way around. Can't go too much wrong with either one. The Spinner is best for older eyes, because the dial readout is larger. The main thing is to get the one that catches YOUR fancy, enjoy it, and browse for other ones while you're relaxed and not pressed. Get a feel for what you might like in your replacement, research it while you're relaxed, and plan from there. There are tons of them out there on the market today. The iTasteVV v3 might be a good one for you. It's light, but still has VV and VW both. It's also a passthrough type pv, meaning you can vape it while it's charging in the wall socket. The menu is easy to use too. (I like the itaste much more than the vamo, personally, but that's just my own personal preference and I haven't had it long enough to learn it's weaknesses and quirks or lifespan).

After hearing you go on about Strawberry Fields from Vape Dudes I decided to give it a try. It came in today... along with the watermelon bubble gum. On the Strawberry Fields, is it good right away, or should I let it steep for a bit?

Stick to Joyetech people.

The truly unfortunate thing is that in the current society we live in, vaping and educating the public will do nothing to curb bans or limitations. The people that are voted into power tend to go completely against what their constituants want and will create these bans and limitations in some inane effort to protect us from ourselves. But it is nice to have a more educated general public and to get less bizarre stares and questions. Generally, in the Portland area, people are fairly used to eCigs since you can buy them just about everywhere.

It is my ex brother-in-law's, he sent me a pic of it when I was asking him some questions about mods. He offered to let me come over and check out his stuff and educate me on it. I'm DEFINATLY gonna take him up on the offer. I was just wondering what it was because I forgot to ask him when I was talking to him.

She said 8 to 10 hours before having to recharge it, and I miss understood her. On the very first battery I got she said it had to die completely before recharging it, but on the passthrough it can be charged at anytime. I went in today and showed Wendy the button sticking issue and she gave me a new RIVA passthrough. The Vapor Bar is a good store and good people work there, I recommend going there if you are in the McKinney area. Ask for Wendy.

Hey Arnie Yeah I was hoping to make it clear that i wasnt attacking you personally for your point if view but merely commenting in your awesome topic. I agree with many of your points and you make intelligent arguments. As pleasure vapirs leading a healthier lifestyle we simetimes forget there are moral issues with what we do and so therefore responsibilty increases with our choices.

"taste still on the battery " ? Is that possible? Alcohol and a qtip?

Which is why my KPT stays at home lol. Thing is I have tile and hardwood throughout so a drop at home would most likely be fatal as well.

You mean flavor percentage? I usually mix anywhere from 15 to 25% but I never usually go above that. I did a 30% one time and that was with a grape trying to get it to carry over but it never did so... Anyway I think that's usually the general consensus around here.

Yea the problem is many of their first experiences are when a news story of a battery exploding hits the air waves like the new post in Health and Safety sub forum. Its just like anything else, the story about the millions of people living healthier lifestyles now never gets told, but let one battery explode from being charged improperly and its all over the news.

Thanks for the reply (and to all). I agree with much of what you are saying. Please, understand I am not talking about "pushing" or promoting it on the general non-smoking public. I just think that the general public needs to be exposed to ecigs more. They need to see and believe as we do, that it is very likely a healthier alternative to smoking..They need to see that we are not a subculture or a ":bunch of nuts", or at best "pathetic nicotine addicts" (which we probably are. Ha). Now, if an adult of legal age wants to vape, that is there choice. And if they asked me, whether they should smoke or vape I feel confident in telling them and would encourage them to vape rather than smoke. And being a non-smoker I would also promote or encourage them to use a 100% nicotine free juice. For those underage (and many people start smoking as teens). I would generally not recommend vaping, as we are not certain of the long term health effects. There's just not enough data. HOWEVER, if I learned that my teenage daughter was smoking without my knowledge (not uncommon) or if thought she might want to start smoking, I'd rather her come to me and get educated about vaping and I would prefer her to vape a zero nic juice than to see her sneek and smoke regular cigs with her friends without my knowledge. Nicotine should certainly be kept from minors.

Im going to line uo my rigs and post a group shot later when I get home. There is a pic of my octopus dripping set up (withe the collar) on my post "noobie trying to post a pic"

Not too long ago I saw a thread where people were talking about "Roast Beef" and "Steak" liquids that sounded horrifying to me lol.

I vaped when I went to Summerfest and expected to see tons of vapors seeing smoking was allowed. Not only did it seem that me and my wife were the only ones vaping but I was suprised at how many people knew very little about it

I don't think it is ignorance as much as a lack of mainstream information available on it. That's the overwhelming objection I hear from my smoking friends. They want it to be proven it is a much healthier alternative by a source they trust as opposed to looking at the positive health benefits I have personally experienced. With that said, the number of people I see vaping grows by the day. Sunday on the lake there were 5-6 others that were tied up to us that were vaping. I see people at the marina vaping now. People come into my business and are vaping. I am not sure if I notice it more now because I do it, or if it is exploding in popularity. It worries me a bit, because once it gets too big is when they will start to regulate it heavily, tax it heavily, and make it less of a money saving thing. As much as I enjoy the health benefits I enjoy the monetary ones just as much.

I agree, and so does my sons pediatrician and our family physician. I use mine in public a lot the same way as I did when I smoked analogs. I do not want to make others uncomfortable, so usually if I am in a non smoking establishment I will go to the bathroom to do it unless it is a setting where I feel comfortable enough to ask about it. Several local bars and restaurants in my city that are non smoking actually have signs now that say "No Smoking" (E-Cigs allowed).

I agree that people should be educated on the differences between vaping and smoking. But I'm not so sure that flaunting it to a wide general public, which is essentially promoting it, is good idea, IMO I, personally, would only recommend vaping to someone as an alternative to getting off analogs. I would not encourage anyone to take up vaping who isn't already a smoker. As much as I love vaping and am so happy to be off the analogs, I don't think advertising it or flaunting it to a non smoking public is the way to go. I'm not saying we have to hide it or be ashamed of it. But it is primarily a drug delivery system. I just think I'd rather not push it on others. Educate them where needed. No doubt, it's healthier than smoking. But there is a difference between "healthier than" and something being healthy. I personally cannot call vaping "healthy" and therefore promote it as such. Promote it to smokers, sure. Promote to the general public, not the best idea IMO. I am commenting on your topic Arnie

@Bebop12 I do have one.. its drying.. I had a carto that leaked -__- and I had to wash it off.. I'll upload a pic in a bit! EDIT:

They make a collar that fits under your tank that would really dress that up nicely IMO . Nice rig

Riva's are a clone of the original eGo, more affordable but not near as well made. Vaping for 6 hours is normal between charges, unless it's a large battery, then you should be getting anywhere from 6-10 hours. (hard to pinpoint when we all vape so differently). The sticky button is unfortunately the most common complaint with the Riva's. I would exchange it right away. They should know about the button and be more than prepared for it. When you can afford it, (which happens overnight once you realize you have enough flavors, attys, and batteries and you don't need to buy any more smokes either), I would invest in the eGo Twist or the Vision Spinner either one. That's not saying they don't have occasional quirksr, but your chances of not getting any are better. The original eGo's will last a good 6 months before needing replacement, but don't be surprised when you're still vaping them a year or more later. Sorry you're having problems, that really sux. (but that's life, even in the world of vaping. Fortunately, the Vendors and posters usually more than make up for it).

The mouth piece is pretty comfortable.. It was weird at first to get used to.. because I was using the Clear drip tip.. but it is pretty cool. I recommend it! Thanks!

There is the new setup!

I would recommend you try Koolada, High desert carries it, It is also known as "W3" is used specifically to give that "cold" feeling at the back of the mouth.

I would recommend not using a Riva batt.

All my wieners are mini lol

I love how much things have grown !! getting ready to for a british isles cruise.....no smoking in the cabins or most areas on the ship, but apparently electronic cigarettes are approved.

What a shame! I hope he gets his act together soon and restores everything back to proper running order. DOA attys, cartos, or barely working ones, is one of the main reasons I turned to the RBA's. Even these need to be of high enough quality to literally not be considered "disposables".

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