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HI! OK so I received my first pass through which I ordered from Mad Vapes. I also ordered some liquids 5 ml samplers out of which I need to say this thing called Irish Mintz is AWESOME! However the pass through is the issue and before I call/write MadVapes I wanted to ask here to make sure I am not doin' it wrong. I plugged it into my computer usb and put in a carto with a drip tip and enjoyed it for about 20 or 30 minutes before I wanted Dulcis and changed to that carto with no drip tip. That is when I shocked the hell out of my lips. Yeah, I thought at first the carto had cut me but sure enough I am getting shocked. Then I put a regular atty on thinking I was not supposed to use cartos but where the battery connects to the atty also shocked me. I touched it to my hand and got shocked, and again and again. Now I pulled it out and never got a chance to try it in my laptop or with the plug in adapter I have for my PCC (which I don't even know if that would work anyway) so if I have not tried something that would work then great. Otherwise I assume I have received a faulty product or it is not a good brand anyway. I do not think that it is Joyetech but I don't honestly know what brand it is. Can anyone confirm or advise me please? And I may need advise regarding the perfect pass through to buy cause I really wnat that image of the Alice in Underland Caterpillar(HA!) No seriously I do believe it to be a cost effective method of vaping if it works and I was excited cause they advertised this one as a 5 Volt higher voltage vape experience. So I would still either like a replacement from Mad Vapes if it is faulty or a totally new one from somewhere else I guess. Thanks for any Help!!!

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!

Uh, well I do occasionally put it down to sleep and take a shower, but other than that... pretty much all the time.

I have noticed that some of the cartomizers in the packs I have bought from the VT store and from Liquidxpress (both sell Bogie cartomozers) have what seems to be a shocking pop. I'll be pulling on one such carto when I feel a pop on my tongue. It may not be a shock, but there is a popping sound with that sensation. Does anyone know of this and what to do? Thanks.

Thanks and in that case I definitely agree with FTJoe, or at least I have ordered from them once before and both times I received package within 24 hours of shipping and I absolutely LOVE their Butter Rum and now their IRISH MINTZ flavor may even be better. These liquids are inexpensive too! That reminds me though someone said something about their Butter Rum the other day in a comment to my question....anyone know if their Buter Rum has bad ingredients in it or what happened to it cause I was gonna order a lot more and it was not just out but not even an option on their site. I still have like 15 or so Mls of it and would like to keep vaping it. Anyway I plan to order liquid from them as long as it is a good as it is.

IMO= In my opinion. I agree email them and get a replacement.

I thought as much but, and this is going to sound stupid; what is IMO? Thanks!

Gotta have POPS!!

Cartos stay crunchy in milk too!

I thought that was the case. I have noticed that same pop seems to happen when I have a good working carto going. thanks for the confirmation! Thanks original poster for bringing it up!

unplug that and contact madvapes, good supplier IMO.

Todd goes above and beyond with his customer service. Honest guy and a sweetheart! Fast shipping, too! His juices are absolutely incredible! He even offers organic juice--which rocks! He now offers PG in his organic juices, which used to be only VG. You can't go wrong with Vaperite! Awesome selection of hardware, too, and for those looking for 0 nic juice, he's got it. http://vaperite.com/

It is clear to see from the responses there is a wide variation. Much depends on strength, availability and method. I go though about 20 MLS a week at 6-12 MG, I actually consume 1/2 the nicotine that Brian does but vape just as much. I also vape alot more when I am in the office or at my house than I do when traveling, just because it is more available and I really enjoy vaping. I go through a LOT more using cartomizers than I do using cartridges and even less when I direct drip. In the end, I think the best advice is that what you come up with that is most comfortable to you is the perfect amount.

My cereal pops too and it taste good to me.Popping carto's are a good thing.

Well first off let me say that if you're serious about quitting the analogs then you need to get the "has to look and feel like a real cig" out the window. Many of us wanted that when we started(myself included) and we quickly found out how much that doesn't matter. In fact most of the really good mods for vaping look nothing like an analog. There are lots of different things to think about when you get an e-cig. Battery life is usually the biggest, then comes size of the device. You will get a lot of us telling you to go with the Ego/Tornado type of unit. No..it doesn't look anything like an analog, but the battery life and performance is what really counts. There's also the choice of auto or manual. Most but not all go for the manual type of button. That's because they are sealed batteries and you don't have to worry about juice getting down in them and killing the battery. Also most auto's have a cut-off built in them that shuts off the draw after a few seconds. Usually around 10sec or so. This makes vaping tough sometimes. Plus a lot of vapers like to direct drip for better vapor production and flavor. Like I said there are many things to consider when buying an e-cig besides just looks. Also, those whimpy little carts that come with the smaller units wont hold much liquid and you will either be buying lots or replacements or will start refilling them yourself to save some money. Trust me...they don't last as long as a pack of regular analogs...ask anyone who has tried them. My suggestion would be to do some more searching on the forum. Really ask yourself if you want to quit or just want to enjoy vaping between analogs. The VaporTalk store has some great products plus if you are really stuck on that analog look Chris is running a clearance sale on one that fits into the analog look a like category for half price. Not a bad place to start until you see what vaping is really all about. I'm sorry this is sooo long, but I could go on more. So good luck in your search and try to get that look-a-like notion out and think more about what works best. Good luck and happy vaping. p.s. there will be others along to help you further.

This usually happens when the vapor piles up in the center threading. Finally "popping". It's actually a good thing. (Means it's a good cartomizer) What I do is hold the button on my ecig, wait for the pop then take a draw. Anyone who hangs out with me in video chat knows I always place my ecig by my ear before I inhale, it's because I'm waiting for that pop

Hi, welcome to the Vapor Talk Forum! Many of us, including myself, wanted an e-cigarette to look and be exactly like an analog. You can start out with a Joye510 which meets your current criteria. The only thing is the battery life of a 510 is about two hours, maybe it will be a little longer for you. If you look through the forum here, you will see many posts on purchasing the Joye eGo. In my mind, it's like a chubby 510 however, the battery life is considerably longer, about 6-12 hours between charges. 510 atomizers which you use on the stick mod are used with the eGo. I see that you just posted you want an automatic. There are pros and cons to the automatic, the biggest of which it is easy to short out an auto battery if e-liquid gets inside the battery. I don't have personal experience with automatic batteries but to add to this, even though e-cigarettes are marketed as a substitute for smoking analogs, vaping is an alternative and rather a unique experience. Good luck, don't hesitate to ask questions! We're here to help! PS: I don't think you can go by the experience of purchasing a pv from a gas station or kiosk in a mall. There are a lot of knock-offs in the marketplace. You'll do better purchasing a Joye from a reputable online vendor.

i commented on it because people are crying about all the harmful side affects of an analog cig.

Ok, so I'm one of the blokes who wants to support the cause, but am far too lost in my understanding of all the details. Perhaps I missed it somewhere, but has anyone posted a formal letter for us to copy/paste to our reps and the gubment? I've seen links all over the place as well. Perhaps a new sticky thread, or an edit of the original post in this thread is in order? I always feel like I'm copping out when I ask for help like this, but I think I represent a fairly large chunk of any forum userbase when I say "just show me where to sign". If you want more action and less talk, help us lower-wits to take that action please!

I guess we should stop eating too! Recently, Prozac was found in shrimp, lead & copper in very high levels are found in drinking water thanks to the chloramines that are water districts add to our water, which our foods are processed with too, making them toxic as well. There has been a complaint filed against numerous food processing plants, including baby foods. Even bottled water has been tainting, so there are toxins everywhere. The FDA is far from consumer protection. They approve dangerous medical devices that harm/kill people, allow extremely dangerous food additives/synthetic foods, don't require food companies to even label weather our meats are irradiated, colored with potentially deadly allergens in the form dyes, and the steroids in our chickens have totally gotten out of control, Yet the FDA allows the to get away with it, thus many of us can feel anxious, heart racing, or in some situations, stop breathing from being exposed to even the fumes from a kitchen where they are cooking such foods. Thus I have to carry an EpiPen with me everywhere I go, and read labels of everything I eat & even then, I have to avoid certain foods, as the additives not listed can be a huge problem. Diet foods & drinks often contain Olestra (usually in chips & crackers) & the diet drinks that contain aspartame are FAR worse than the alleged cancer-causing saccharine. Aspartame (which is made with wood alcohol and amino acid isolates, phenylalanine and aspartic acid) has been associated with a whole lot worse health problems, many long-term neurological effects, brain damage, and so on (see http://www.wnho.net/aspartame_brain_damage.htm ) & a host of other problems. See http://www.sweetpoison.com/aspartame-side-effects.html for a mind-boggling list, and there are more! Yet!!! It is perfectly OK with the FDA to market drinks & foods containing aspartame & it seems the company that created aspartame won the "your product is worse than ours" war, likely with better attorneys & highly questionable research. (My opinion & that of many researchers world-wide.) I will use saccharine, but not aspartame. IMHO, it is a deadly, slow-acting neurotoxin, but it's perfectly OK to market it to children as a healthier food, even though research indicates the contrary, the FDA proposed a ban on saccharine in 1977, created a huge scare that it caused cancer, again IMHO due to highly questionable research by their competitors & now we have aspartame in just about every diet drink in America. Watching out for our health? Not for many years IMHO. While I agree with full disclosure labeling, it is difficult to resolve the issues of unequal treatment by different companies & industries with the FDA, other than to say it takes a lot of money to get the "right research data" to support your position to get a product approved, even if it is FAR safer than another product. Research statistics can be skewed to show what you want it to show, which sadly is done more often than not. eCigs are no exception! ONE bad batch of eJuice, a scientist with a negative view on a product & you can loose. In other countries, eCigs or vapor devices are as a way to take certain vitamins & herbs to improve health. Sure, over-doing anything can be harmful or deadly. As with ANYTHING, even water - too much can cause death, but we can't ban water now can we? THe FDA ban of ephedra sinica is no different. Did people abuse it & die? It seems so, although I think it was more than likely the chemical version or the extract, ephedrine, that was the culprit. Mix that with a LOT of alcohol & yes, you can have a heart attack. Use it properly & you can treat if not cure asthma & if given corticosteroids it is one of the few things, in small quantities, that can deactivate them & help flush them out of your system should one have an allergic &/or adverse reaction to the corticosteroids. Most doctors will tell you there is, "No known antidote" to an adverse or allergic reaction to corticosteroids. Some will tell you that you, "can't have an allergic reaction, as cortisol is made by your body naturally!" When a medical professional tries to tell you this, you might refer them to the PDR or "Physician's Desk Reference", as that statement is simply not true! Here's a list of adverse reactions to corticosteroids, which are FDA approved... The following adverse reactions have been reported with corticosteroids, drugs which doctors will tell you there is no antidote for, as I said before. Does this list look like anything that should EVER be used, other than in extreme, life-threatening, emergencies? I think not, but the FDA approves their use & the misconceptions by medical professionals are astounding!) Allergic reactions Allergic or hypersensitivity reactions, anaphylactoid reaction, anaphylaxis, angioedema. Cardiovascular Bradycardia, cardiac arrest, cardiac arrhythmias, cardiac enlargement, circulatory collapse, congestive heart failure, fat embolism, hypertension, hypertrophic cardiomyopthy in premature infants, myocardial rupture following recent mycocardial infarction (see WARNINGS), pulmonary edema, syncope, tachycardia, thromboembolism, thrombophlebitis, vasculitis. Dermatologic Acne, allergic dermatitis, cutaneous and subcutaneous atrophy, dry scaly skin, ecchymoses and petechiae, edema, erythema, hyperpigmentation, hypopigmentation, impaired wound healing, increase sweating, rash, sterile abscess, striae, suppressed reactions to skin tests, thin fragile skin, thinning scalp hair, urticaria. Endocrine Decreased carbohydrate and glucose tolerance, development of cushingoid state, glycosuria, hirsutism, hypertrichosis, increased requirements for insulin or oral hypoglycemic agents in diabetes, manifestations of latent diabetes mellitus, menstrual irregularities, secondary adrenocortical and pituitary unresponsiveness (particularly in times of stress, as in trauma, surgery, or illness), suppression of growth in pediatric patients. Fluid and electrolyte disturbances Congestive heart failure in susceptible patients, Fluid retention, hypokalemic alkalosis, potassium loss, sodium retention. Gastrointestinal Abdominal distention, bowel/bladder dysfunction (after intrathecal administration), elevation in serum liver enzymes levels (usually reversible upon discontinuation), hepatomegaly, increased appetite, nausea, pancreatitis, peptic ulcer with possible subsequent perforation and hemorrhage, perforation of the small and large intestine (particularly in patients with inflammatory bowel disease), ulcerative esophagitis. Metabolic Negative nitrogen balance due to protein catabolism. Musculoskeletal Aseptic necrosis of femoral and humeral heads, calcinosis (following intra-articular or intra-lesional use), Charcot-like arthropathy, loss of muscle mass, muscle weakness, osteoporosis, pathologic fracture of long bones, postinjection flare (following intra-articular use), steroid myopathy, tendon rupture, vertebral compression fractures. Neurologic/Psychiatric Convulsions, depression, emotional instability, euphoria, headache, increased intracranial pressure with papilledema (pseudotumor cerebri) usually following discontinuation of treatment, insomnia, mood swings, neuritis, neuropathy, paresthesia, personality changes, psychic disorders, vertigo. Ophthalmic Exophthalmoses, glaucoma, increased intraocular pressure, posterior subcapsular cataracts. Other Abnormal fat deposits, decreased resistance to infection, hiccups, increased or decreased motility and number of spermatozoa, injection site infections following non-sterile administration (see WARNINGS), malaise, moon face, weight gain. The following adverse reactions have been reported with the following routes of administration Intrathecal/Epidural Arachnoiditis, bowel/bladder dysfunction, headache, meningitis, parapareisis/paraplegia, seizures, sensory disturbances. Intranasal Allergic reactions, rhinitis, temporary/permanent visual impairment including blindness. Ophthalmic Increased intraocular pressure, infection, ocular and periocular inflammation including allergic reactions, residue or slough at injection site, temporary/permanent visual impairment including blindness. Miscellaneous injection sites (scalp, tonsillar fauces, sphenopalatine ganglion): Blindness. ==== These reactions can occur from even topical use, as in lotions, yet are more likely from injections. Does this sound like the FDA is looking out for our best interests? I think not! I do believe the labs where eCig products are made, in general, do their best to be sure their products are not contaminated. If approved as a "medical device" by the FDA, there will be no accountability or liability, as per current laws (started 200 that were put into place by the Bush administration. YES! The FDA is seriously behind other countries & responds to hype from those wanting to be heard. My hope is that the FDA will drop this "Medical Device" nonsense, so this does not occur with eCigs as it hsa with medical devices.. Excerpt from : http://biotech.law.lsu.edu/ieee/ieee25.htm Medical Device Regulation Prior to 1976 there was little federal regulation of medical devices. The FDA could bring a court action to have a dangerous device removed from the market. These actions were based on the FDA's authority to embargo adulterated or misbranded products. While these concepts were well understood for drugs, the courts took them to mean that only the proven dangerous devices, or those that were openly fraudulent could be removed from the market. Even when the courts were willing to act, these proceedings took many years, with the device freely available until the final appeals were over. (It took more than 20 years to remove the orgone accumulator from the market.) To escape regulation, the manufacturer need only modify the device and it could start selling it again, forcing the FDA to begin a new court proceeding. Furthermore, from: http://www.naturalnews.com/022713.html , about one such case (and there are tens of thousands) - state courts cannot even hold a manufacturer responsible! that "federal law prohibits suing device manufacturers in state courts if the device was approved as safe by the FDA. The decision is expected to have ramifications for a large number of pending lawsuits against manufacturers of devices such as breast implants, defibrillators, artificial heart pumps and valves, drug-coated stents, spinal cord stimulators, and prosthetic hips and knees. Because there is no federal law that allows consumers to sue medical device manufacturers for damages, state courts have become a common venue for such suits. (MY NOTE: This is no longer the case, as state courts hands are also tied with the 'no liability' loophole & the quality of medical devices, as such, IMHO has declined significantly!) The legal reasoning behind the court's decision centered on the wording of the 1976 Medical Device Amendments law. The law, which set in place an FDA pre-approval process for medical devices, explicitly prohibited states from putting in place "any requirement" that is "different from, or in addition to" FDA requirements. In an 8-1 majority, the court ruled that allowing citizens to sue device companies in state courts amounts to "a requirement" that undermines the FDA approval process. Writing for the majority, Justice Antonin Scalia wrote that the FDA may approve devices "that present great risks if they nonetheless offer great benefits in light of available alternatives." In other words, there is no requirement that devices actually achieve any reasonable level of safety for all patients. To receive FDA approval and be immunized from lawsuits, medical devices merely have to keep alive slightly more people than they kill." Does this sound like a caring or concerned FDA? One county in one state had over 6,000 claims against Medtronic for making faulty pace maker & spinal cord stim, or "SCS" units. The judge 's response is that his hands were tied by the 'no liability' clause, that with that many claims, it was certainly not the doctors at fault (although you have to wonder about kick-backs to implant these devices & no mandatory reporting of funds changing hands will be in effect until 2013 (& I with medical corporations, universities & so on, the money your doctor may get for prescribing a certain amount of medication to x amount of patients for a trip, etc. is unlikely to be found anywhere. eCigs, if they become classified as, "Medical Devices" will likely follow suit, with NO checks & balances! One need go no further than Google and search, "medical device lawsuit dismissed" to find a multitude of these very types of lawsuits that have been dismissed. IF eCigs get the "medical device" green light, I'd be FAR more concerned about the safety of our eCigs & eJuice NOT being as safe! The FDA, if they are REALLY looking out for public safety, would leave eCigs alone, just as they are! I've never had a problem with mine & have had confidence that the companies making our eCigs have integrity. f the FDA succeeds in classifying eCigs as a "drug delivery system medical device", it could strip away that integrity and protection as it has with other medical devices. ALL those people in the dismissed SCS 'medical device' cases were left with the costs of removing the devices (or burying their loved ones who died as a result), without any confidence that there was any other device that might be better. Two other companies make similar devices, yet with really no guaranty that another device would be any better. eCigs, or personal vaporizers, are NOT medical devices! Classification of them being as such could be hazardous to our health! Altmed

Thanks for the link I just sent my comment Comment: I just want to express my experience with the E-Cig. I'm 48 and had been smoking cigarettes since I was 12 years old. I had been trying to quit for the last 10 years without success.I tried the patches, gum,Ziban and still smoked 2 packs a day. It took 1 week on an e-cigarette to kick smoking for good. I have been using my e-cig now for 1 year and have my taste back. I have this summer started riding a bike and climb stairs without a second thought. I no longer cough every 5 minutes. I no longer have chest pain. My family is no longer in danger of second hand smoke. Please don't kill me and my family by taking my only working option away.

I find it amazing that the FDA can approve loads of drugs that have been recalled, medical devices that are clearly dangerous & not recall medications they clearly should, yet when it comes to anything to do with natural medications (which used with knowledge of those products is FAR safer). the FDA seems to want to ban everything natural... Remember the vitamin raids in the late '80's? The tryptophan ban around 1988 b/c one single shipment from China was contaminated - no others were found to be contaminated, yet ALL of them were banned for a long time! The Ma Huang ban, which still exist, yet for those given corticosteroids with a bad reaction, this may be the only thing that can stop someone from developing life-long high BP, diabetes (insulin resistant), brain swelling, catabolism and many more devastating effects, yet they allow doctors to hand out these damaging injections & pills like they are candy, costing everyone - especially the victim of these drugs who can develop life-long disabilities, tons of money & heart ache. If you google Medtronic lawsuit (re: their fault medical devices), you'll see tons of lawsuits filed, yet because those are "FDA approved medical devices", not one person who has had broken leads, been paralyzed, or in cases of death, their families cannot recover a single thing from the manufacturers because of a law passed by the Bush administration that exempts ANY "FDA-approved medical device" from recovery of ANY damages, and it's clear, these devices tanked in quality ever since that law was enacted. The FDA needs to stop violating people's rights, they need to hold those medical device companies to standards & STOP infringing on people's rights to buy products that are natural (& some "not-so-natural"), including e-cigs, herbal liquids & other similar devices. This is like banning herbal remedies from the market, which have been proven time & time again to be safer than allopathic medicines prescribed or OTC for the same purposes! The judge that stopped the FDA's seizure of e-cig products was right - the FDA over-stepped their boundaries! So, I take a vitamin C... are they going to ban vitamins again or is my hand that puts it in my mouth going to be an FDA banned "drug delivery device" too? I suppose we should just stop driving cars too, as they emit harmful hydrocarbons? Buses? HE** diesel fuel is even worse and we ALL have to breath those things! We have no escape & no choice! Humidifiers? Guess those would have to go too... Breathing? Wait! If we breathe, we are taking in all sorts of harmful substances from smog, trees, etc. Drinking water? I just read a study on chloramines & our water, regulated by the EPA, at the tap in municipal water systems is full of truly dangerous chloramines... Even wastewater engineers are concerned about it & eat shrimp? Not with the concentrations of Prozac in them from wastewater! THey can't get that stuff out of the water & the shrimp are full of it, and God only knows what else! So, according to the FDA, it's not safe to breathe, drink or use municipal water (packing plants use this water too & there are even lawsuits going on about chloramines and their carcinogenic byproducts, including lead and copper it erodes from the pipes) contaminating food, even baby food), and not even safe to take a bath or shower, or eat seafood. Our beef & vegetables have also been contaminated and have made many people ill &s many have died, but that's OK by the FDA? No one yet has proven to me a Big Mac is totally safe! (isn't that what that kid in Oregon ate & died?) And the lettuce & onion fiascos? The onions were destroyed by the grower, only tofind one of Taco Bell's supplier's warehouses was the source of contamination! I have YET to hear of a single person becoming ill from use of an eCigarette, and with 20-30,000 people a DAY switching from smoking, or using 0 nic for those who just enjoy it & would rather not take up smoking or e-cigs with nicotine, the FDA should be thankful someone invented e-cigs! Walmart & other stores carried pet food that was killing animals! Did they go after Walmart? Nope! They worked with the industry to find the source, which was a plant in Canada, did recalls like any sane response would be, had stores pull the deadly products and it was over! Ecigs need to be treated like food! If a trend develops of people getting sick from a certain batch from a specific supplier, go to THAT supplier & recall the products, not the entire industry! Would the FDA rather have us smoke cigarettes? Clearly not, or they wouldn't have spent the $Billions on making everyone paranoid about cigarettes & raised the taxes so darn high. They should have looked at the addition of carcinogenic chemicals to the cigarettes, not the tobacco itself! If ANYONE has EVER read a study on smoking that excluded cigarettes with chemical additives, PLEASE PM ME! I have yet to see a single one! We eat foods every day that are mislabeled or are not labelled at all, so where is the FDA in those cases? This FDA witch hunt of eCigs is just like the vitamin & supplement bans of the 1980's, which clearly stomp all over civil rights & my religious beliefs, as well as my health. I've yet to see the FDA go after manufacturing companies who clearly pollute our air with toxins, the drug companies whose drugs were recently found in shrimp - yes! Prozac in shrimp! A full dose if you eat it for your evening portion of protein! I can only guess what higher food chain species are full of! Mercury certainly! Why haven't they gone after that source? That's been a serious problem affecting health for far more than 20 years! It seems like the FDA's idea is we shouldn't have anything natural or naturally derived in our eCigs or in our food! This is CLEARLY a civil rights issue, freedom of religion, and freedom of life & liberty... I guess those fighting cigarettes/tobacco & eCigs have never read the constitution! The anti-supplement/anti-tobacco/ anti-eCig hysteria is foolish at best. I suppose htey'd have us all eating chemically-created food as well. Sounds like Soylent green isn't too far off. A few quotes from Soylent Green, the 1973 Sci-Fi movie from imbd.com: Det. Thorn: I know, Sol, you've told me a hundred times before. People were better, the world was better... Sol: Ah, people were always lousy... But there was a world, once. [Thorn chuckles] Sol: I was there, I can prove it! When I was a kid, you could buy meat anywhere! Eggs they had, real butter! Not this... crap! ... Sol: Why, in my day, you could buy meat anywhere! Eggs they had, real butter! Fresh lettuce in the stores. Det. Thorn: I know, Sol, you told me before. ... Det. Thorn: Would you believe bodyguards are buying strawberries for 150 D's a jar? Yes, the FDA IS just that ridiculous! This is a slippery slope they are on!