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OMG, I am shocked! I cannot stand how corrupt these people are here in N.Y., more so than any other State, and to base it on lies, not uncommon for N.Y. They want us to pay their ridiculous taxes. What snakes! We need to give them a taste of their own medicine. As far as I can tell, the U.S. Court of Appeals reinstated the FDA authority merely to stop entering the Country March 2010. Here is one main dispute about how to regulate them: They cannot decide if they should be regulated as tobacco products, rather than drug or medical devices. Also the original case has NOT been exhausted from the lower Courts to the higher Courts over jurisdiction of the product. Please remember there is still time to fight this by directly calling or faxing your elected officials and to tell them how this device has helped you and to dispute them and what they claim are facts. This Bill still needs to pass the Senate and subsequently within a matter of so many days depending on the votes to be signed by the governor to become an active Law on the Books. See: HOW A BILL BECOMES A LAW IN New York STATE http://www.bcnys.org.../sb/billlaw.htm "Many believe that the FDA was reluctant to take legal action as long as its jurisdiction over the product was being challenged in court, and especially after a lower court judge questioned the agency's authority. However, now that the Court of Appeals has issued an order reaffirming the agency's power over e-cigarettes -- at least until the current case in the higher court is concluded -- the agency may feel that they have to be more aggressive and crack down on the growing market." http://en.wikipedia....ronic_cigarette January 2010 In January 2010, federal judge Richard J. Leon ordered the FDA to stop blocking the importation of electronic cigarettes from China, and indicated that the devices should be regulated as tobacco products, rather than drug or medical devices: "[...] With the passage of landmark tobacco legislation last year, the FDA's new tobacco division will be able to regulate the contents and marketing claims of e-cigarettes, in the same way it is about to begin regulating traditional tobacco products. But the agency's drug division cannot ban the devices [...]". Richards mentioned in his reasoning that e-cigarettes were not marketed as medical devices to help smokers quit, as FDA had argued, but rather as safer substitutes to give users the "nicotine hit that smokers crave".[35] In February 2010, the FDA began an appeal of the ruling in a federal appeals court in Washington.[36] March 2010 However, as of March 2010, a US Court of Appeals reinstated the FDA's authority to stop e-cigarettes from entering the country. The agency said in its appeal that it has regulated nicotine products, including nicotine patches, for years under the drug and device provisions of the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act (FDCA). The agency argued that tobacco legislation enacted last year "expressly excludes from the definition of 'tobacco product' any article that is a drug, device or combination product under the FDCA, and provides that such articles shall be subject to regulation under the pre-existing FDCA provisions."[37] It was then up to states until the FDA regulated what these devices were at the Federal Level to take their own action as did California. It was only going to be time before other states make their own interpretation, or demands and control as far as I see things, while other areas are still disputing it. The only reason I believe the FDA's first attempt to control it was faltered and was appealed was because of a Law Suit by an ecig company here in the U.S. and the various agencies attempts to define these devices and which agency will control them did not seem to agree. You can read about the lawsuit here and interestingly why they cannot ban cigarettes as the Attorneys argued here link below, but can ban these! http://legaltimes.ty...e-embargo-.html From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "In California, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed a bill that would have banned sales, stating "[...] If adults want to purchase and consume these products with an understanding of the associated health risks, they should be able to do so [...]"[38]. In New Jersey, legislators have started work on a proposal to ban the use of electronic cigarettes in all "no smoking areas" of the state.[39] Please remember there is still time to fight this by directly calling or faxing your elected officials and to tell them how this device has helped you and to dispute them and what they claim are facts. This Bill still needs to pass the Senate and subsequently within a matter of so many days depending on the votes to be signed by the governor to become an active Law on the Books. See: HOW A BILL BECOMES A LAW IN NEW YORK STATE http://www.bcnys.org.../sb/billlaw.htm Possible Debate Issues to Bring up with Facts: You may want to dispute that the various assemblymen that voiced their opinions that led to such votes against it taped on the Video Evidence were NOT BASED on any real conclusive facts and that they by rendering us to the alternatives will be causing all much more harm than good. I would suggest that they do their homework next time and I would counterclaim to them that the chemical they claim is in antifreeze is in fact approved by the FDA as a food additive and in fact already in many of our foods. Ironically the Honorable Titonce did not even name the chemical he was speaking of that he believed to be found in antifreeze and ecig devices. Here is what I found. I either buy ejuice in made with PG and VG, along with distilled water possibly some may have nicotine in it and maybe some sort of tobacco flavoring, and or candy flavors. I believe a sort of tobacco essence and flavorings are used. If there are any others than it is not to my knowledge. I currently am even making some of my own ejuice out of the same ingredients mentioned minus the tobacco flavor and nicotine. I would like to hear from those who actually make and sell the ejuice to properly be able to dispute their claims, if there are any from the U.S. here. But here is the info on the two main possibly 3 ingredients I know of aside from Nicotine. There was some argument that Diethylene glycol was found in only some of the cartridges, by only two venders. While this may be the case, and Diethylene glycol is listed as a dangerous substance, we need to dispute that it is common to these devices or the eliquids we buy for them or use. http://en.wikipedia....ethylene_glycol One possible tobacco essence: 3-hydroxy-2-methyl-4-pyrone http://www.chemicalb...N_CB5768714.htm PG: propylene glycol http://en.wikipedia....ropylene_glycol Quoted from therein: Applications Propylene glycol is used: As a solvent in many pharmaceuticals, including oral, injectable and topical formulations. Notably, diazepam, which is insoluble in water, uses propylene glycol as its solvent in its clinical, injectable form.[5] As a humectant food additive, labeled as E number E1520 As an emulsification agent in Angostura and orange bittersAs a moisturizer in medicines, cosmetics, food, toothpaste, mouth wash, and tobacco productsAs a carrier in fragrance oilsAs an ingredient in massage oilsIn hand sanitizers, antibacterial lotions, and saline solutionsIn smoke machines to make artificial smoke for use in firefighters' training and theatrical productionsIn electronic cigarettes, it is used to deliver vaporized nicotineAs a solvent for food colors and flavoringsAs an ingredient, along with wax and gelatin, in the production of paintballsAs a moisture stabilizer (humectant) for snus (Swedish style snuff).As a cooling agent for beer and wine glycol jacketed fermentation tanksAs a non-toxic antifreeze for winterizing drinking water systems, and in applications where the used antifreeze eventually will be drained into the soil, water, or a septic system.[6]As a less-toxic antifreeze in solar water heating systemsAs a solvent used in mixing photographic chemicals, such as film developersIn cryonicsAs a working fluid in hydraulic pressesAs a coolant in liquid cooling systemsTo regulate humidity in a cigar humidorAs the killing and preserving agent in pitfall traps, usually used to capture ground beetlesAs an additive to pipe tobacco to prevent dehydration.To treat livestock ketosisAs the main ingredient in deodorant sticks.To de-ice aircraft.[7]As an ingredient in UV or blacklight tattoo ink Propylene glycol has properties similar to those of ethylene glycol (monoethylene glycol, or MEG). (Note: Infrequently propylene glycol may also use the acronym MEG, but as an abbreviation of methyl ethyl glycol- the industry standard acronym for propylene glycol is PG or MPG (monopropylene glycol)). The industrial norm is to replace ethylene glycol with propylene glycol when safer properties are desired. VG-Vegetable Glycerin Pleased keep in mind, these ingredients may not even be Pure USP food grade VG, as on this website with contents listed. http://www.morethana...etable-Glycerin http://www.botanical...-glycerine.html Specifications Color- Clear Odor/Taste- Flat aroma, very sweet flavor resembling syrup. Glycerol content- 99.8% Fatty Acids and Esters- 0.3 Specific Gravity- 1.29 pH- 7 Heavy Metals - <5 pap Chlorides- <10 pap Chlorinated compounds- <30 pap Sulphates- <20 ppm Moisture- 0.13% Organic Volatile Impurities- None detected Diethylene Glycol and related compounds- No trace amounts detected Quoted from link below" American Association of Public Health Physicians The voice of public health physicians, guardians of the public's health Tobacco Control Task Force Fax March 27, 2009 To: Senator Lautenberg Fax: 202 228 4054 Subject: Please Cancel Opposition to Electronic Cigarettes Research to date has clearly demonstrated that smokers smoke because they are addicted to nicotine. This same research also shows that the illness and death due to cigarettes is not due to the nicotine, but due to products of combustion and, to a lesser degree, toxins in the cigarette tobacco. Read more: http://www.ecigarett...l#ixzz0mGgGIKhc American Association of Public Health Physicians writes on behalf of Electronic Cigarettes to the Incoming Director of the FDA "Anyone can easily see what's happening here. Big tobacco is using lobbying techniques, and is trying to use their power to manipulate our governments assembly and senate to doing their dirty work and stopping any competition in the industry. Hopefully democracy proves to be stronger then capitalism in this matter because there is 4,000,000 of 8,000,000 smokers whose lives will be saved in the next 20 years because of the electronic cigarette, according to a letter written to the FDA from the American Association of Public Health Physicians." FDA from the American Association of Public Health Physicians Writing on behalf of electronic cigarette users SEE LINK BELOW: http://www.e-cig.org...tor-of-the-fda/ Please tell them next time to get their facts straight. As far as the Honorable Titonce's story about a child being able to get these devices over the Internet that carries nicotine, please ask him what child he has given a creditcard to in order to buy such a thing, and what parent is not watching what their kids on doing online, as well as to show us just one ecig website that does not ask if you under or over 18 before entering? If they are so worried about children on the Internet than maybe they should do something about porn websites or either stop watching porn themselves on our dime instead of doing any real labor, while trying to control what we do as adults. We are not going to pay for their outright hypocritical views and actions any more while they pick our pockets. We have woken up to their thievery of our pockets as well as any types of ingenuity that save us from their taxes, their control and the various CORPS PAYING THEM to enact laws to KILL us, as well as and their attempts to make some logic out of the ridiculous. Example, if they are really so worried about our health, and we are in fact buying these devices because not only are they safer, and cheaper, but save ourselves from the thousands of carcinogens deliberately put into tobacco products, then why do they allow us to eat food that contains aspertain proven to shut down all of our organs and cause Cancer, beef with hormones that effect our biology in negative ways, or Monsanto with bioengineered seeds and grains with effects altering our very genes in such a way that we will never be able to reverse any adverse effects and all kinds of additives that are killing us! When should we ever trust such arrogant, corrupt and greedy people ever again to control our health much less their attempts to look or act sane anymore! (THIS PART, JUST MY ANGRY RANT, LOL!) PLEASE DO NOT FORGET TO MENTION ALL THE FIRES THAT OCCUR AS A RESULT OF CIGARETTES AND LOSS OF LIFE AND HOW THESE DEVICES WILL PHYSICALLY SAVE LIVES AND PROPERTY UNLESS THEY FORCE US BACK TO CIGARETTES. ALSO MENTION THAT CIGARETTES HAVE OVER 4,000 chemical agents, including over 60 carcinogens AND 599 additives that are very dangerous and approved by the US Government for use in the manufacture of cigarettes is something every smoker should see, yet it is illegal to ban them! http://www.tricounty...ngredients.html http://quitsmoking.a...ingredients.htm http://whyquit.com/w...o_Additives.htm

The thing we have to do is remain united against a common foe. I for one live close to both the PA and Ohio borders this gives me a better chance than the guy stuck in the middle of the state. If need be I could set up a address point in either of those states and then send it out to any point from there. In the mean time others could try to master the art of nicotine extraction. It is a complicated process that requires sulfuric acid and a few other nasty chemicals that you need to understand how to use. Back in the day some members of my Mother's family were bootleggers, not too far south from here there are still, stills running. Not that I am telling anyone to break the law, but where there is a will, there is a way. If we share what information we glean in our endevors we may get around this at least until sanity can be restored.

I haven't killed one yet! I thought I burnt one but decided to try cleaning it before I tossed it. I soaked it for a couple hrs in some Absolute, blew it out & let it dry overnight, then filled it... it's vaping like brand new, no burnt taste at all. I cleaned my other one the same way cuz it was getting hard to draw on and got the same result, vapes like new. Mine have the glued in caps but I used the boiling water method to pry them off so I can swipe them a couple times a day with mouthwash, I was worried about germs. I've been using the same 2 cartomizers since the 12th, so I'm on day 13 with them. Keeping them filled seems to be the key to long life for these. I'm using tiny 3.75ml glass dropper bottles from eliquidplanet to carry my liquid in, and the dropper tip is small enough to fit in the hole & makes refilling really easy. I just use 1 to 1 & 1/2 droppers of liquid whenever the vapor production seems to die down. No mess!

Hi sensay, welcome to the light side! To get set up for mixing you'll want a few basic things. Unfortunately you can't get them all in one place. What a raw deal but that's just the deal. Actually, you probably can get most everything you need from one or two places, but there's going to be specific flavors you want that you'll have to go looking for. Here's a list of what I consider the basics: PG and/or VG nic base, with a high enough nic level that you can cut it at least by half and still get your desired end nic strength. For example if you vape 24mg you could probably get away with 48mg base.0 nic PG and VG. These are cheap, though PG is a bear to find except by mailorder.Flavorings. Common brands are Lorann's, Fairy's Finest, Capella, Perfumer's Apprentice, Flavour Art. I'm beginning to lean back toward Lorran's because they seem to be the most concentrated to me, which can be important if you like a Lot of flavor.Storage and carry bottles. I like to store larger quantities of everything in glass dropper bottles easy to find on eBay. 30 ml bottles would be a decent size to be handy to use but I have some 60 ml bottles for storing mixed liquid. Also 3 ml and 6 ml plastic drip bottles.Pipettes for dripping. One thing that can throw you is that different drippers have different drop sizes. You'll have to adjust your calculator for the number of drops you get per milliliter; that really varies! So using the same kind of disposable pipette can help to standardize mixing. (Disposable pipettes can be rinsed out and used many times.)Latex gloves. Mixing is messy and you don't want to get high-nic base on your skin; it can make you quite sick.A calculator for determining the volume of each component for your mix. Don't use mine, I found a math error that I haven't fixed yet. There's a thread here with a great calculator that also includes a ton of nice recipes and some 'how to' type information. I think that covers the basics at a high level. Look through other threads here to find suppliers and many good ideas. You may hear some conflicting advice but you'll soon determine what you'll want to try first. One thing that I'm figuring out that works well for me is to mix your flavoring together in a discrete bottle. Then you can experiment with PG/VG proportions, how much flavoring to add, etc without messing up a whole mix when you get it not-quite-perfect the first few tries. Also, you can mix with 0 nic base to test flavor and vapor properties before you commit your measure of nic base. Good luck, have fun, ask all your questions and vape on! You found the right place.